This is probably what he believes.
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tbh the first one was unwarranted in any capacity, second one was the thing they needed to change to make the missile not wobble as much
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perhaps they felt the need to nerf the close range effectiveness when they buffed the further range effectiveness to keep it balanced but I find the maneuverability decrease too severe.
Not that pl-12a or pl-12 were performing in an unfair or unbalanced way before the changes(in my opinion and not counting su30mkk)
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The first issue for PL-12s absolutely has to be how rollable they are.
That needs to be fixed, the pull can be worked around later
But my point has always been that the fact the missile is rollable is the problem manoeuvrability isn’t anything to worry about, given that it’s still better than the AIM-120
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Yeah, no missile should be that rollable
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I agree that none of them do, not even the AIM-7s, but over time I’ve simply argued that the missile has lost some manoeuvrability it’s not a dramatic change, it just forces the player to be more defensive but that’s what determines whether vehicles are more offensive or defensive their armament and firepower ( If all missiles were the same, what would be the point of having different planes and different playstyles?)
Is it better than AMRAAM though, the truth is it isn’t. It is probably 50/50 right now with overall manoeuvrability, and in terms of pull AMRAAM 100% wins if not for the horrid track delay, which can be seen from various graphs where PL-12 starts off with seemingly a nice lead and then get ran over by AMRAAM past a certain point.
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That’s such a weird metric to use no? “AMRAAM wins if the only useful scenario to measure maneuverability with (HOBS) is taken out of the equation.”
If the PL-12 gets its PID values fixed where it would no longer be rollable, then neither missile would be better because it would be medium range shots where neither missile could be dodged, so that just leaves HOBS capability where the AMRAAM is outright worse due to that track delay.
5km AIM-120C-5 shot*
worst AIM-120 in the game, better chance with an A or B
the difference isnt that big anymore
i g-pulled an AIM-120C from 4km head-on while connecting an R-27ER and then died to an AIM-120A in the same situation, R-27ER still hit him though :)
Why was this change ever even implemented? People saying the nerf was warranted are insane, the pl12 doesn’t have the range of the 120 but it at least had maneuverability, now it has neither range nor pull. Even if the missile was “op” back then it was on fighters that weren’t meta or over performing. Now its just the worst missile in the entire top tier bracket.
So they do accept PL-12AE information now?
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We’ll never know which of Gaijin’s words are genuine. Whether it’s in bugreports or from community managers, none of these people truly represent Gaijin’s stance, in my opinion. They are merely employees placating us—or even “volunteers” who may not understand anything at all.
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We went to great lengths to find information that could be accepted by Gaijin, but they were just talking nonsense there.
always have, as i posted myself:
The one abou the Pl-12A and Pl-12AE was taken back quite instantly
The Bug Reporting Manager who said that was misinformed about what could be used to report
since the distfromCMtoStab value is derived from actual real world control surface areas, it should obviously depend upon the thing it is measuring, the center of surfce area.
and gaijin has erroneously set that at 0.12 (which is center of volume of the fin+motorassembly)
rather than to 0.208 (center of surface area of the fin)
this is imo a stealth nerf beyond what the aerodynamic capabilities of the missile would be in real life.
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the problem isnt that its better than amraam, the problem is that irs not performing according to its aerodynamics
what good are large fins if the game doesnt even model their effect right?
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the value is not derived from anything
as i highly doubt the distfromCMtoStab of the AIM-54 is 0.05 for example