Played stock falcon a bit and barely started apds research. I call it fantastic as a LT for one-shotting every single pen-able thing with the aphe including every sov mbt side while still being full auto, and acceptable as spaa. Lacking a bit of search ability but about the same effectiveness against air as Gepards, for the hilarious gepard lead indication made everyone into manual control. for the other two 8.3 AAA they are both fine. Chief MSM exchanged mobility for accurate radar lock, and ZA exchanged apds for OPness
ZSU-57:
Why are we here, just to suffer…
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screw those guys in particular. I still have not forgiven them for making my spading of the mk3 centurion literal hell a year ago
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Have you ever tried to use a ZSU-57-2 as an SPAA? It’s almost impossible unless they quite literally let go of their keyboard and mouse. It got worse after the last horizontal traverse nerf too.
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I’d much rather GJ stops overtiering UK stuff for a change, everything good we get is nerfed in some stupid way or another for pathetic reasons, while there favourite nations never receive the same treatment.
I still remember the days when the Cent with its 105mm and HESH used to mess up RU tanks for fun, so GJ slapped it with an absurd repair cost and nerfed HESH whilst also raising its BR.
I would remove the APDS from the Falcon and put it in Br 7.3. The UK needs some functional SPAA above Br 5.7 and below 8.3.
The funny thing is that I try to use it as SPAA mainly, but it has happened to me quite a few times where a direct hit from the 57mm HE does not destroy an aircraft.
tbf tho i kinda agree, the belt is cracked, it has all the shells and a lot of them. so i feel like nerfing it a little and going back down to 8.0 is a decent solution, it was absolutely broken at 8.0 before.
I want to ask for the arguments why the falcon was to op as a TD at Br 8.0 but the ZSU is okay to be at 7.0 and it totally not used as a TD
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it used to have an APDS belt. its single APDS in a belt is now useless and its pretty trash at 8.3 now especially when there’s XM800s rushing around
I agree that the Falcon needs to come down a bit, it’s the same BR as the Marksman which is ridiculous… the jump from the skink ((Which is useless even as AA)) to the falcon is horrendous.
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Don’t worry. im sure we’ll finally get an 8.3 or 10.3 SPAA soon.
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Those 5 10.X SPAA (plus the TES and ADATS) are all I have left before I 100% the British Ground TT… can’t wait to add another 300k RP to that pile
Yeah, hate that they increased the BR.
My UK lineup was…
Fox + Cent Mk 10 + Vickers Mk1 + Falcon + Conqueror
Now the Fox and Conqueror (each at 7.7) now need to fight up to 8.3. Makes the Conqueror kind of useless in most situations as > half the enemies have no problem penning it.
And now a giant gap in UK spaa from Skink to Falcon.
Do they ever consider what happens to the lineups when they make these decisions?
You play Britain 8.3 for Falcon + ZT3A2 combo. It’s lovely.
That’s basically an upgraded Ratel? Not a fan of the Ratel. Not nearly as good as the Fox for scouting (its a TD) and capping. It’s much bulkier and less mobile.
Gaijin seems to just love messing up line-ups… as others have said it should not have been moved until another spaa was added in the mid-7s. Or just tweak the effectiveness of the APDS downward so it could stay at 8.0.
What was the point of the move with the Marksman (similar ammo AND radar) already at 8.3.
Gaijin seems to have knee-jerk reactions.
Chassis is less important when your ATGM can nuke everything + nice thermals. Give it a go.
Edit: To clarify, yes it’s most certainly not a scout. It’s a tank nuker.
im not entirely sure Gaijin remembers that GRB Is a multi-vehicle line-up gamemode half the time.
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Tornado IDS has a GRB BR of 11.3. Last time I checked I didn’t find alot ground vehicles at this BR.
Thats the pinnacle of care- and mindless BR policy. You need ground vehicles to spawn air assets in GRB: So, how is it possible Devs atteach BR on it with no ground lineup to back it up?
You can uptier the lineup to 11.7 tanks, but: What would be the point of having that 11.3 BR for this jet? You can also use 10.7 or the few 11.0 ground units, but why would you uptier your 10.7 tanks to 11.3, where those units would actually suffer alot?
It makes no sense. I guess there are more examples like this.
The 8.3 lineup is better than anything else you’ve suggested for 7.7-8.0. Falcon + ZT3A2 + Vickers Mk.3 + Olifant Mk.1A + Swift F1 + Heli + Striker/Warrior/Chieftain AA + Uptier Fox. What a lineup. It’s also uptier proof - get a 9.3? Falcon and ZT3A2 will take care of things that could have the better of your MBTs.
However, often you only need the Falcon… since it is a wrecking machine.
Which is why Falcon needs to stay where it is. At 8.3 you eat Pz2000s in a downtier, you eat Turm III at 8.3, and you clean up and control XM800T when you’re uptiered. It keeps the ecosystem in check.