Falcon and AMX DCA nerf, SPAA is still gonna be Meta

The Falcon and DCA nerfs won’t change anything about the toxic SPAA meta

Both of those vehicles started out as 8.0 and 8.3 respectively, with their same current stats, and with the start of the initial SPAA meta, were moved to 8.3 and 8.7, compared to their counterparts, they werent and arent that good at their main purpose - dealing with planes, having both slower muzzle velocity and lower damage compared to Oerlikons, additionally, Falcon being considerably sluggish, and the DCA having mid radar, and no stabilizer, but both had one major tradeoff, that being the APDS belt, and now with its removal, theyre going to be bad at killing both tanks and planes, just why? The main problem with SPAA isnt even the APDS but rather the way they just are, ZA-35 is easily a good example of this, it dominates lobbies and has Nuke speedrun records, all with the default ammo belt, and outclassing it the infamous ItPsV, a Leopard 2 based SPAA with 30 hp/t engine, top of the tier Turret rotations speeds at 90°/60°/sec, at battle rating of just 8.7, even with no APDS these vehicles hoard up easy kills thanks to magical shell-teleporting-inside-the-tank mechanic

This balance change is entirely a product of Oerlikons being overpowered, they started this toxic meta, and for some reason theyre not even included in it? Why are two already not-good-at-anti-air SPAA vehicles graded purely because of other vehicles of the same class performing good? Theyre supposed to be in-betweeners but Oerlikons clearly do that job better, Falcon and DCA are going to be easily outclassed by literally everything as stated before, Falcon is debatable, its still gonna be the same old rat machine good at dealing with light stuff, but what about the DCA? its a ZSU 37-2 comparable vehicle, and there is no reason for it to be 8.7, it always sucked compared to others and is going to suck even worse after the change, the nerf might make some Falcon haters happy for a week or two, but its just gonna create even more SPAA powercreep and inconsistency, ZA and ItPsV will still dominate the game along with 5 other Oerlikon SPAA, ZSU 57 will still be front penning all of its classmates, the 20mm RH and CN will still be melting your cannon and tracks, the non existent Coelian will still be abused by 5 kd players, and Bofors will still be making penta kills, this change will not fix the problem with the SPAA in any way, you either nerf all of them or none of them, you could’ve at least cherry picked on the Oerlikons instead, with other SPAA being nerfed later, and not make a hot mess already even more hot

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SPAA is not meta, MBTs are meta.
SPAA has nothing on T-55A or M60.

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If that is true, why is Gaijin removing the APDS belts?

I mean I think removing the apds belts on falcon and amx30dca is a good idea cause those things seem way overbrd compared to gepard-likes, but it seems like gaijin forgot to change their br at the same time

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I’m fine with the belt removal - and as you say, the BR needs to go down, since the APDS was the reason they were at such a high BR in the first place.

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Because the alternative was moving them up due to player performance, and Falcon should honestly be moved down.

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There is no justification for them not moving down immediately, and the fact that Gaijin aren’t is a worrying sign they’ll get the R2Y2/T25 treatment, and will just never be touched again.

Both France and Britain desperately need an SPAA for their 7.7-8.3 lineups, which these now nerfed SPAAs would perfectly fit into. Not to mention, lowering their BR would counterintitively be a nerf to their killing power, as they’d be more commonly matched against the more heavily armored early cold war MBTs and heavies, which will mostly just laugh at their non-APDS rounds.

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both m60 and t-55 get mowed down by spaas of their rank

SPAA is a free frag for me when I’m in MBTs.

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m60 cupola is fodder for spaa. T55/62s/centurions are good vs AA.

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Good, anyone knife fighting SPAA deserve to die.

No. Simply no.

The only nations that are COMPLETELY invulnerable to spaa from the front is Russia and china (With the exception of the israeli tiran 6), even the side a lot, but as soon as you hit 1 bullet into the belly side of the T55, its wraps.

I don’t know how you think the M60 clobbers the SPAA but its just dead wrong.

@Wtty
Good to know you think everyone that came to these conclusions before me is wrong.
When I’m in M60 my average KDR is 1.5 - 2; against SPAA my KDR is above 5:1.
I die to SPAA less than 1 time for every 5 I destroy. SPAA easily stat-pads my tanks when I see it.

They lack the accuracy, armor, and penetration to deal with MBTs controlled by players of equal skill.

Currently youre taking the SPAA and a MBT in a 1v1 scenario, whereas this couldnt be further from the truth.

You’re not going to be in constant headon engagements with SPAA both aware of eachother when you’re playing, if that was the case, the MBT would win 90% of the engagements, but it is not (90% is also pushing it a little).

SPAA’s accuracy is just fine considering they fire 550 rounds per minute, where 1 or 2 of the API bullets is enough to prevent you from fighting back (As long as youre not in a T55 or T62).

Speed is what makes these SPAA shine greatly, as they can get in and out of situations they will do greatly in or will not make a difference in.

They are too versatile and are too good at killing tanks. Think of it like this, youre a light tank, but you’ve got 2 oerlikons, accuracy doesnt matter because of the firerate, the armor doesnt matter because everything at 8.7 can UFP eachother, + you have speed to compensate it, and you have enough penetration to deal with 80% of your targets upfront, or as a light tank, you will be flanking and picking people off from the side even better than any other vehicle can.

Removing the APDS puts the Falcon a lot closer to the M163 and ZSU-23-4M2 penetration wise. Hell, if there’s still an issue remove the AP belt. Just leave the default and HE ones. Could easily go back to 7.7 then.

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This doesn’t apply to either the Falcon or DCA, which were nerfed.

The problem is you MBT players want them to be powerless against tanks. Whereas you should be improving your skill to account for SPAA players coming at you with autocannons. SPAA should be there to punish MBT players in the right circumstances, this should not change.

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I’ve got a radical idea - Maybe maps could be something other than the size of a shoebox, so then AA could do their job of hunting planes without having to brawl with spawn campers 90 seconds into the match?

Crazy radical I know.

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Players prefer CQB maps. Same as WoT. Same reason why BF3 had so many 24/7 Metro servers.


yeah thats right. Meta is at SPAA, so you have…not best kd ratio with them? HUH?

Guys i mean i know being a part of a crowd is a good thing but what META is it if you cant even play it properly?