This system is actually horrible. Before anyone tries to accuse me of justifying teamkilling - i didn’t get banned.
I never play missile era planes, nor do i play sim, so accidental teamkills happen very rarely in my case, but i can understand that to other players it can happen more often.
Although i don’t see a single positive thing about punishing teamkills with bans outside of people who play for the sole purpose of teamkilling, but i guess you can differentiate between those since you have teamkill counting system.
You have effectively made me never even think of trying out any sim mode which are already struggling with low player accounts in the future.
I will never risk my account getting banned for not noticing a decal on the side of russian captured Panther or Panzer 3. With how prelevant the copypaste in this game is, you have to be out of your mind to consider banning for teamkilling in a sim mode. If copypaste didn’t exist in this game it could be understandable, but it does and in stupid amounts on top of that. And don’t even get me started on copypaste planes, recognizing a plane from a cockpit view while it’s manouvering is decently hard even with completely unique aircraft, let alone some copypaste being exactly the same with only like a decal on the side.
Also does teamkilling your squad mate count towards the ban? You don’t get fined for that with SL, so i would assume it doesn’t, but you never know.
Saying something along the lines of “teamkill is a teamkill” is actually ridiculous. Anyone who has more than few hundred hours in this game will know it’s not the case. Teamkills can be very different and don’t deserve same severity of punishment
That is basically what it does. The only way you are going to get banned purely from accidental TKing is if you are blindly firing at anything that moves.
A couple mistakes wont get a ban. A dozen or so in a short time, will.
I can see a person stack up to like 20 purely accidental teamkills within a week or 2 easly. Especially if they play any of aforementioned sim modes or missile era planes.
Teamkill bans is not something you can hand out based on numbers alone unless it’s like more than 100 within a week or two.
Especially if it counts fooling around with your squadmates after the battle is already won
I understand your perspective sure, I’d rather not have such an thing pop up though as it serves no purpose other than to intimate you’re being warned not to do those things
As said, I’m cool with being warned not to do what i may have done that isn’t ok, I’m not cool with being told I’m being reported for hate speech that I haven’t done.
What purpose does it serve the player to know you’ve been reported for X unless it’s a method to warn them not to continue such behaviours in future?
The way such a thing appears on screen it’s giving a certain level of credence to those reports by having that pop up in the first place
It’s just poor all round imo to have such things if they’re not a warning, and then to include stuff you’ve never done is kinda insulting to some of us
I don’t care for taking fun from knowing I’ve upset others so much by playing well enough they’ll maliciously report me. I’d much rather not be given a message that looks and feels very much like a warning for stuff I haven’t done, and would much rather those who’ve maliciously reported get dealt with.
I’d also much rather teammates and enemy that aren’t that pathetic too and don’t abuse the reporting system to the point it generates that pop up for someone with stuff they’re never engaged in doing
When i played sim, i had maybe 2-4 a week max. As for missiles, i play a lot of high to top tier jets and i dont remember when my last TK via bad missile was.
If you got 20 “purely accidental teamkills within a week” it means that they are not purely accidental. Your way of playing the game is harming your own team.
Shooting to anything that looks like enemy tanks doesn’t mean that if you TK someone, it was an accident.
It’s like speeding on the road with speed limit. You do it inentionally, even if your intention is not to kill (or get killed) in random accident.
Well when i was first starting with WT long ago, i decided to try out tank sim. I wasn’t very good at the game and actually had no idea about the copypaste premiums in sim. Within nearly every battle out of like 20-30 i played i would end up with at least 1 teamkill. After that i decided to drop the mode.
If i got banned for that for 2 weeks back then i would quit the game all together and never come back to it.
Punishing players for teamkilling in sim is no different from punishing players for being bad at the game
Sure. But how will you tell a new player that he has to just stop playing his newly aquired 60€ premium? Or stop playing sim mode he for some reason enjoys the most?
Sure it’s not a good thing to buy a top tier prem or play sim as a new player, but a new player doesn’t know that. He just does what he enjoys.
Some players just don’t care and want to have fun. Sure it doesn’t justify teamkilling, but for that SL fine should be enough.
WT is not the type of game where teamkill is always intentional action of a player with bad motives. I have experienced it myself when starting like 6 years ago.
Simple, dont let new players buy that premium… or let them go into a match blind without the skillset to play properly and get a temp ban and be punished for hindering their team with teamkills.
You are right though, not all TK’s are intentional. But they are still against the rules. People arent punished for a TK here and there, it is when it becomes so many within X time that they will be punished.
In Sim, and correct me if I’m wrong, when you rangefind a player it will tell you if it’s an ally or an enemy. So you do not have any excuses for that. Even if you’re “bad” at the game you should have the ability withing your skills to press “E” while looking at somebody.
Well i haven’t played sim for like 5 years, but i am still active here in the forum, have like 2-3k hours in game and watch a lot of WT youtube and i have never ever heard of such thing.
So i can imagine a new player would 100% not know about it either.
If gajin actually takes effort to implement proper tutorial i won’t have this excuse. But in current state of the game i do.
This would imply that SB would be relevant. Spoiler alert: They are not, simulators were, are and will always be a niche product.
This game is optimized to farm teenagers with ADD and extremely short attention spans. That’s why Ground RB maps are shrinking and Air RB sees this 16 vs 16 nonsense on small maps.
And gaijin is quite sucessful with this strategy - SB battles or other niche modes like Naval just keeps competition away; the combination of Air, Land & Sea makes wt unique.
No, it boils down to 2 main reasons:
Reckless game play or
Intended teamkills
and to a very small degree to
Actual accidents
Regarding point 3: As written earlier we might argue that the noob flying / driving into your guns / missiles / bombs might be able to kick you out of the game, but therefore we have at least in theory a review process - like appealing vs a chat ban.
Imho gaijin won’t perma ban guys in large quantities as they still earn money with them.