I cant tell if you are intentionally dodging the fact that I am not talking about how it works now, or you are so bent on your own beliefs that you are refusing to even comprehend what is being said.
Yes, right now it is easy to just shoot you down…
IF they made damage reverse so if they shoot you they take damage, they will find ways around it… such as to make you shoot them by blocking your shots… which will mean you will do damage to yourself. It would only work that way if reverse damage is implimented.
It wont matter how difficult it is, it will be what people who are bent on trolling will do. It wont magically make trolling stop, nor will it make it any less frequent. Instead it will lead to “Take away reverse damage” posts.
Either way, the current system is fine and is (as we are seeing in real time) working to punish people who are excessively teamkilling.
There also the point that not all reports turns out eligible for a punishment, so the total number of reviews required are way much bigger than we could imagine.
Well what I’m curious about is if no wrong doing was found for hate speeech why is it even included in a warning to me?
That’s just Insulting really, and accuses players of things that gaijin suposedly doesn’t think they’ve done either.
It also shows that reporting people maliciously does have an effect.
And yes it did do something, it gave me a warning for something I didn’t do.
That’s no ok or alright by any means. If I’ve broken the rules then cool I’m all for taking the punishment, but including warnings for things you’ve never done and doesn’t even exist?
That’s a horrible way to treat your players and also really does highlight you can be maliciously reported and it works, because right there I’ve had a warning for something I’ve never done.
Surely if it was looked at that “hate speech” would never have been included.
So yes, soemthing negative has happened as a result of malicious reporting to me
Also as a player how do I not know I wasn’t reported for teamkilling once, bad language once, and maliciously reported for hate speech 8 times or more? My account gets a marker potentially from my perspective for stuff I’ve never done and get labelled as a racist to boot (it’s right there in the screenshot)
I’m really not ok with being told that when it’s just not true.
Surely you can see the issue here, and can agree at least this does highlight malicious reporting does happen and does have an effect of some sort too.
Dismissing it as nothing happened is disingenuous at best tbf, I got a warning for something I’ve never done - that has an effect on my feelings about the game and it’s developers attitude towards me too
No it wouldn’t. This game is not “immersive” as it is and is full of “gamey” mechanics because it is a video game and if we just started implementing changes based purely on the “realism” argument then the game would become increasingly worse.
Discourages Tactical Awareness
Absolutely untrue, the fact that reflected damage specifically punishes the person who makes the mistake would be more effective in teaching them the need to ID their targets. They are the ones suffering the consequences of their actions instead of somebody else, it is the best incentive to improve.
Can Be Exploited
Your first point is based on ramming which already happens and people already teamkill for ramming in sim and ground battles. Teamkilling is not allowed so if you decide to shoot someone for ramming you, you are still in the wrong regardless so this holds no merit and you will rightfully be punished for it.
Your second point is again a hyper specific scenario that is already possible to do and can already put marks against someones account with teamkills from such a situation. However this rarely happens given what you’re describing is much more difficult to do compared to simply shooting someone. This does not hold any weight when the changes from reflected damage would improve the situation from where it currently is.
Accidents Are a Part of Realism
Same as first point, this is just a repeat. This is a game where gameplay is the most important aspect. Consequences of IDing the wrong target would be present with reflected damage, the only difference is the one bearing all the consequences is the person who made the mistake.
Doesn’t Address Griefing Properly
Yes it does.
Encourages a Casual Playstyle
About the third time you’ve harkened to realism, already addressed.
That doesn’t address including things that you’ve never done as part of a warning to you not to do again as you’ve been reported for it
It’s missing the entire point that it’s highlighting there’s clearly malicious reports and they do work.
I’m not confused about being accused of hate speech that I’ve never done, I’m rightly annoyed and have a lesser opinion of gaijin for labelling me as a person using hate speech.
If those report had been looked at as claimed, they’d have been weeded out as malicious and I’d never have seen “hate speech” on my warning would I.
It’s irrelevant if it’s a pop up or a message or whatevr of the accusation is based on malice and nothing else. In this instance gaijin back the reports by including that accusation rather than actually looking into it and not accusing people of things they’ve never done
It is not exploitable since the mass report done to you didn’t lead to any penalties since these were checked by people. No issues were found and therefore there’s no penalty.
And you’re completely ignoring that your hypothetical scenarios are considerably more difficult to enact than what we have now and that overwhelmingly the change would benefit those who have to deal with the mistakes of people who play poorly.
I can see that you have never played ground sim so you probably do not have any idea of how frequent it is there.
OK, add it in, lets go into a match and I will sit in-front of your barrel the whole game. When that gets enough I will fly in-front of you the whole game.
Wanna prove that I am then being a troll? Good luck, I am just trying to protect my team mate.
Again: it’s an automatically generated warning, not something we send out actively. When players report players, they need to select a report category, and the player reporting you selected Hate.
I still don’t understand how you com from this to “it’s not looked at”…
Dont forget that you can force him to hit you by dumping throttle and slamming the spoilers open so he can get a good old fashion teamkill for ramming you.
OK, add it in, lets go into a match and I will sit in-front of your barrel the whole game.
Nothing stopping you from doing this just now and people already do this. Happens in sim as well and your choice is to either do nothing or shoot them which will result in you getting a mark against you and SL penalties or if they come back again you getting booted from the game.
When that gets enough I will fly in-front of you the whole game.
Same as above, you can already do this, it just doesn’t happen often because it’s not as easy to do as you’re trying to make it out to be and as it stands simply shooting someone down is far easier.
Point that you are missing is that you are just being annoyed in game by someone sitting in front of you. You don’t blow up because YOUR round smacked the troll.
Think the idea over a few more times, then think over every aspect of what such a mechanic will be VS what we have now.
You’re missing my point that’s it’s proof and evidence of malicious reporting getting away with malicious reporting.
In other parts of this thread were told that just doesn’t happen and the malicious reports are weeded out, but there it is I get a warning based on malice and false reports of something
So which is it? You can’t be maliciously reported and it have an effect on you? Or you can’t?
I don’t want warnings automated or not for things I’ve never done. It’s insulting and just turns me off the game moreso.
What you don’t seem to maybe grasp here is it’s personally damaging to be accused of such a horrible thing knowing you’ve never done it so why does gaijin allow such a warning to ever happen when the action related to it never existed to begin with?
The reporting system is clearly open to malice and it works too
do you know anyone who can review my ban length and tell my why i got banned for 7 days without a warning? when my friends did the same as me and got banned for 3 days and 1 day