A few years ago seeing a team kill in prop Air RB between 4.0 - 6.0 was extremely rare. Currently matches without witnessing team kills are the exception.
Even yesterday (before the ban wave) a friendly Yak-3 tried ramming me - piloted by the usual sweatloard. I was able to outturn him at very low speeds…
So you are either a lucky man - or i live i a parallel universe :-)
Have a good one!
I was only including accidental ones, not intentional ones, sorry if I wasn’t clear.
I see a ton of intentional TKs, mostly at the start of the match
You do bring up a good point. Or when people are in a dog fight and you end up flying into someone who was firing. Cause your hell belt to shoot this one plane down.
I remember several months or a year ago I had to shoot down 2 planes simply because they were hell-belt to shoot the entire team before all of us were even combat capable.
They were already in a conversion to do this so had no choice but to act. This was also done after I warned them to not do it. Not that they listened but it was the thought that counted.
I looked at the playtimes and they are about the same added up, so I still don’t understand why Stona is leaving this snarky comment. Stona also mains air realistic and I hypothesize stona spends most their time looking at tiktok while flying. I say that because it would explain the negative stats in both mk IX spitfires for USSR and USA which are notorious for being great planes and brain dead easy to fly.
Someone mentioned in an earlier post that you normally do an analysis to what’s causing the issue (the TKs) and I seriously question whether Gaijin has spent time and effort in understanding the issue.
What they see is the number of TK per player and then (maybe) put that in rlation tothe number of games played and then you get a value. You put a threshold and then you go.
At the same time, Gaijin is selling and now releasing planes with Fox 2 and Fox 3 missiles that have a steep learing curve and make this available to any new player in the game.
So you will get TK’ed by a level 8 with a new Viggen and Fox 3s.
Is that intentional? No.
Is it because the player is inexperienced? Yes.
Is this still encouraged by Gaijin to make money? Yes.
So there is clearly a conflict of interests and Gaijin is not showing any attempt to solve the issue.
There are plenty of intentional TKs which must be punished, that’s why you can report these people and then those reports should be reviewed.
There are also plenty of accidental TKs and as annoying as they are, they can happen to anyone who plays the game. And I, personally, play the game to have fun, relax and enjoy myself and I do apologize any time my missile or my bomb misses its intended target and hits a friendly, but that’s part of the game.
If this should not be part of the game and if it ruins the fun for other people, then Gaijin has the option to deactivate the function completely, as they have done with Ground RB.
The way this ban wave has been done, the way it has been communicated and shifting the blame entirely to the player base has the potential to kick off another shitstorm. Let’s see if Gaijin then comes up with another roadmap to deal with in game mechanics…
I see the point but if u cant teamkill anymore, where is tze risk then in bombong the whole map? In spamming missles at the enemy plane to ks?
It makes it just so much worste in terms of pvp competition.
We already have a braindead player grind issue, that would just make it worse.
It also makes no sense fighting if you have stock teammates, trolls or just plain bad teammates. So lets ban them too.
I mean bombs also explode which does area/splash damage so anyone within the proximity of the PE-8’s 5KG bomb. When A it explodes mid flight while people are escorting it or B when it blows up on the ground is bound to TK some people.
Thx for the update!
From a technical perspective alone the discussions are a big win for friends on fair play. Even if players don’t agree with that (which is their right) i don’t see any problem even if those guys are trying to start review bombing - imagine a revolt going with the slogan “We don’t want to get punished if we violate the ToS and the idea of fair play”…let them “be offended”…
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Normal human beings do accept that as part of the game, have a laugh and move on.
If it is intentional, get that person reported.
There was another post yesterday where someone mentioned being in a Jagdpanther, immobilized and surrounded by 3 enemies. A friendly took out all 4 and the guy thanked him.
Another thing that I can think of, especially when you have a PE8 or a Lancaster available and you’re being spawn camped. You would drop it close to your spawn to clear it of enemies and then your team mates can leave the spawn again.
This is how the game has been played for as long as I remember and that’s fine with me. If you hit 2 friendlies in the same game you’re out and pay the SLs as well. That is already enough punishment and shouldn’t lead to a ban.
Again, intentional TK is a different matter and that’s what the report button is for…or should be.
It’s bound to happen.
Think about this:
I don’t know how many WT accounts there are, and how many can be considered active.
Now roughly 20k players got a “shot across the bow” and 2500 that got a heavier “slap on their wrist”.
That means however also, that all the remaining players apparently are perfectly capable of keeping their TK’s in check enough to not have been sanctioned in this wave. So it’s hard to believe it’s all just accidental and unavoidable, at least for me.
Watch a youtube guide or 2?
How will they get better if they can continue playing and make the same mistake over and over again, seemingly not learning from them at all.
Considering a post just made a few minutes ago by someone saying their last account got perma banned, now their new account got a 3 day… these incidents are extremely likely not the “rare accidental” type that most are claiming.
No one is saying it’s all accidental. Some are saying that not every situation for a TK was done in a public live match. Some people got temp or permabanned in a custom battle.
Some got banned for quite literally nothing.
Some certainly deserve to be banned but it seems like this mass ban wave was not at all thought throughout.
Tells us the players that some toxic people were falsely abusing the report system to make them(one of their reporting) look like the bad guys. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is partially one of many different cases for the actual innocent people.
That is part of the problem with these posts… they can say whatever they want. They can say that they have never fired their weapons within 500 meters nor within 10 degrees of traverse of an ally, or whatever they want… There are 3 sides to every coin… Side A, Side B, and that thin little sliver on its circumfrance called the truth.
You’re intentionally overlooking the key point(s).
All TKs are counted, whether they’re intentional or not.
The fact that all TKs are counted and noone (except Gaijin and the CMs) know what the mechanics behind this are means that every single player in this game could be banned for TK, intentional or not.
The fact that Gaijin is selling high tier premiums to anyone will cause additional TKs, so the “we’re protecting the fun for everyone” argument just went out the door.
And last but not least, we have a realistic game mode with no TK (Tank vs. Tank) and instead of simply implementing that for planes, the blame is shifted onto the players instead of reviewing the game mechanics.
Even if the outcome might be similar - there is huge difference between things you can’t influence (like your example with team compositions / skill distribution by rhe MM) and things you as a player are in charge of - like intentional team killing.
So you compare apples with oranges…
I’m pretty sure he meant those things ruin his game experience the same as getting TK’d.
And I agree, losing a match because no one else did anything noteworthy on the team is way worse than an accidental TK.