Fair enough, appricate you taking time and explaining everything.
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Nowhere does it say these 22k were banned from behaviour from October until now, they could’ve used data from way before that, and they might’ve also started analysing way before the last ban wave. 22k isn’t even that much compared to the whole player base, especially considering 90% of those are short temp bans (<1 week), so just a slap on the wrist.
You’d end up with everyone and their mother claiming “oopsie-daisy” for everything. It’s the same thing every time: “i accidentally clicked my mouse on the runway” “i didnt mean to shoot that missile” etc., just like with the cheaters there were tons of “it was my friend/sibling not me”.
It would become pretty much impossible to draw a hard line that everyone is satisfied with. So it seems they drew that hard line with the act of teamkilling as a whole to spare themselves that headache.
Also, doing the same “accident” repeatedly (and quite often) eventually makes it intent.
that would just open up a whole different can of worms.
rule of thumb: if you think “it’s simple, just do X”, you’re most likely wrong bc if it would be that simple, it would’ve already been done.
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Don’t get me wrong - i see your points and assess them as reasonable position.
I just don’t share the “there is an obstacle - remove it” approach.
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I mean if you research statistics about wt player numbers per day you might share my view that those 22k players are a very small portion of the total player base. Applying reverse logic that means that the overwhelming majority of players is able to play without ruining the game experience of others - as they were not banned.
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Try to do reality check of your proposal for irl issues - lowering standards just because a minority is unable or unwilling to meet these standards has always negative results for the majority able to fulfill the initially higher standards.
So at the end of the day it doesn’t matter if somebody is team killing intended or not - if it happens too often he will get a temp ban. And with too many temp bans he will face a perma ban - just in order to protect the majority able to play by the rules.
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The problem with this is that Gaijin has already established the idea that they can indeed do such a thing. Look further than ground battles. If you can disable team killing for that, then there’s absolutely no excuse for air battles. By this logic, players should be smart and considerate enough to not blast their teammates and team kill them in ground realistic battles. But Gaijin saw it was clearly a problem and removed the ability to. Gaijin felt it was important enough to share just how many people have been TKing and that must mean something if they’re now sharing that data.
Again, I just don’t trust Gaijin’s “trust me bro” approach to this. And I’m arguing this as someone who does take active effort to avoid TKing. It’s just asinine logic to say we think it’s an issue for one game mode, enough so to remove it but not for another despite us sharing the data behind it despite having not done so in anyone’s apparent recent memory.
Does anyone know if your allowed to play war thunder mobile version if your banned from teamkilling on pc?
I don’t see why not. It’s a good punishment LOL
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Being forced to play on mobile is a worse punishment than an outright ban
Gaijin removed tk for ground vs ground for the same reason they disabled chat for a while.
I guess they just decided/couldnt be bothered to not turn the tk back on.
Imo, they should add it back to ground rb.
I would rather they didnt further encourage lemming trains in air rb.
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See if would be up for either. Either reintroduce it to ground battles and keep it consistent (even though I still don’t trust Gaijin’s system for doing it) or remove it from air battles like they’ve already done for ground battles.
Political reasons, and also general trolling and griefing.
I remember many trolls who would hit your tracks/wngine, etc, expecting you to even as much as hit them with the machine gun, only to then J-out and hand you the team kill.
Or trolls who would push you into rivers/buildings/enemy fire in hopes that you would TK them in self-defence…
Also many trolls who TK’d in order to harass others for whatever reason (flags, customisation, vehicle models/nationalities, usernames…), leaving aside modern conflicts, which were the last straw.
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- I play on console
- I play on controller
- I don’t have Vr, which is gamebreaking the sim. The last logical thing any sane person would do after going after a target is try to look for team mates, when team mates should know your already giving chase. No that is 100% a team mates fault, unless you ask for assistance
if you don’t have the situational awareness to know teammates are around, why are you expecting them to have it?
Because most team mates come in on an intercept to an already ongoing dog fight.
Hence, when I do an intercept, I make absolutely sure I know which target is which, and when my team mate pulls a bad turn, or simply gets shot down, I finish the fight.
It’s not a hard concept, you should understand.
But sometimes, friendly units will fly in the flight path of:
- Over G-d aams that then track the friendly
- Fly into a flare path with their afterburner on, causing the aam to track them.
- They’re so greedy the slam into me and kill us both.
- I go to fire a burst of ammo and wow, suddenly a friendly flys in front of my burst on the enemy target, but regardless if I let go of the trigger, the rounds are still flying that hits the friendly.
None of the above could be my fault. I check for friendlys CONSTANTLY because people don’t ping their location, and that’s annoying as is.
But yes I have less situational awareness compared to a Vr or keyboard user, due to control setup, which isn’t easily fixed on controller.
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bruh only tk disabled for 1 day why just remove it compleatly i dont get it
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One of the worst sicknesses currently is people who can TK… without TKing; those bastards who ram you to get you to crash, etc.
I just had to put one of those down because he was attempting repeatedly to ram and push into the ground teammates of ours from the start of the match. They are a sickness… and unless Gaijin removes even collision models, these will remain. They should just get banned.
Sadly, from what I’ve seen on this thread, it is more likely for those of us who fight them to get banned that it is for them to get banned over being toxic trolls.
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He did that for 3+ years btw. They don’t like when you mention that here so I’m taking my chances
I love this vid too, but can you get a higher resolution version please Orson ?
Friendly and competitive atmosphere my ass. Every match above 9.0 GRB is nothing but toxic CAS spam, Spawn rushing, and 1/4 the team ODL(One Death Leavers). Fix the blatant CAS imbalance, Fix the problem of ODL, and please implement a better system for reporting. I still do not see a report option for Cheating/Malicious Software, Early Abandonment, and Network Manipulation.
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Tel you what, the amount of idiots now ramming you to death is getting silly, happens to
Me at least twice a day gone now.
It’s frustrating to the point that reporting is just meh, I’m getting cre locked for up to 10mins yes at a time because of others behaviour. Are they actually punished for it? Only maybe. Whilst my games get ruined and my time wasted.
Perhaps it’s time this aspect of teamkilling was addressed a lot more aggressively given the ban wave of November has had a direct impact on this happening more
And yeah yeah report them I know, that doesn’t give me back the wasted 15minutes of the match I didn’t get to play and a crew lock thrown on top for good measure does it
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