every theoretical scenario i thought of and punched into statshark missile calculator showed me that AAM-4s at the very least perform extremely similiarly, if not exactly the same, as AIM120A/B. Sure, its not simulating real game conditions, but it gives rough idea about how they perform.
@Morvran_ arent C5s worse than 120A/B at close range?
something doesnt add up
Worse time to target as they have worse acceleration (sub 10km), but they have more energy to sustain them in a maneuver, or something. But they pull the same G and have the same guidance delay
kinda sad to see people so riled up and exited about the 120C-5 (alongside the disappointment and resentment) just for the missile to be worse than what we already have…
Most of the time I do 1+5, just for the sake of having that option, but I am often better served by running only ARHs, even on F-15s. For me the aim9m/aam-3 are very unreliable unless launched from high above on unsuspecting targets, that would get killed by a fox3 anyway most of the time.
I think the F-2 radar is still broken, its nowhere as reliable as the “aesa” on the rafale at detecting stuff. It sits kinda in between the rafale and the average 13.7 radar.
I had some instances where I was trying to detect a plane on hot aspect but the radar only tracked the missiles it launched and refused to detect the actual jet, even after turning it off and on.
This is me. I will spamm fox3s to force the enemy to keep the notch and if I don’t have IR missiles I still have an easy time gunning him down because I can easily start a lag pursuit. Just don’t try this against anything with micas. I’ve killed rafales like that but they could get me if they knew better
I find them more situational, they aren’t as forgiving as the R73
Your entire post explains why it’s a good 13.7 jet, among the best.
It doesn’t matter if there are some under-BR’d 13.7s when the vast majority of them are equal or inferior to F-2A.
@themadseventeen
F-15JM could go 14.0 with AIM-120C5s, but right now the F-15JM’s best loadout is identical to that of F-2A.
@iboopy
The AIM-120C5 is better.
in 1 situation. The extra range simply isn’t worth the disadvantages. It’s barely a sidegrade.
Your post argues AIM-120s are just disadvantages? Wild take.
AIM-120s have no serious disadvantages over other missiles.
Don’t shove words in my mouth. The AIM-120C isn’t worth using over the 120B.
@iboopy
No one shoved words in your mouth.
The AIM-120C is a pure upgrade over the B. All the strengths of the 120B with a longer range.
I can’t even be bothered to argue with you, the B is better in nearly every situation in war thunder. Irl is a different story, but in game, in any distance under 25ish km, the AIM-120B is better
This isnt true. Aim-120Bs have a better Time to target at short ranges due to the increased mass of the C5. So for shots below 10-13 ish km. The A/B are actually superior to the C5.
A lot of fights often actually occur at these kinds of ranges for most aircraft. The only aircraft that really benefit from the C5s main advantages of having much more delta-v are those that are actively engaging in long ranged (and ideally high alt) BVR combat, which ironically, is also the aircraft that got the C5 (The Typhoon and F-15E)
In a short range fight, an F-16 or Gripen, are not at any disadvantage interms of ARH performance vs say a F-15E with Aim-120C5. If anything, they may hold the advantage.
The meta tactic for something like the Typhoon might be to run 2+2/4+2/4. 2x 9M, 2-4x Aim-120B and 2-4x Aim-120C5 and use which missile is best given the range. (Though im too lazy for that and just run C5s)
What @iboopy said is true. We were hoping the C5 was going to be a far larger upgrade than just the extra delta-v. Such as an improved seeker (comprable to the MICA), reduced guidance delay and maybe even extra G of pull. It is accurate to say the C5 is for the most part, a side-grade over the B.
If you care to climb and launch one or two missiles in the first bvr salvo at longer ranges, aim-120c are worth using. In the Eurofighter, for example, I bring 2.
Yea I also bring 2, but its not worth swapping out all 6 120Bs for Cs.
I do, but im just too lazy to faff with different Aim-120 types :D
Bring one of each and you can learn the ABC of bvr
i run 6x amraam or 5x amraam +1x 9m on my f16am in sim 👀
A is for “Are you f serious?”
B is for “Bravo, dumbass”
C is for user was suspended until 1. 8. 2025; reason: foul language
This is simply wrong. AAM-4 is very good.
These people should do better to learn what things actually do rather than assume everything will be some massive buff
Because its hand over fist way better than every single 13.3? Hello? It’s better than most 13.7s, hello?
Oh my god. Seriously, the game is the most compressed its been in years and you are advocating directly for more compression like you want to gargle it.