The IRST of both aircraft have not yet been implemented properly despite reports. The MAWS still has issues, the AESA radar is not yet properly implemented, sensor fusion is basically nil, RCS reduction features has not been implemented for either Eurofighter or Rafale, IR signature reduction hasn’t been implemented for Rafale, so yeah there’s a long way to go imo before the competing aircrafts are in a situation where they can counter the F-22 reliably.
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RCS reduction is totally irrelevant for both, they carry their weapons on exposed hard points. Anyways, an F-117 or F-22 is gonna be far stealthier than a clean EFT or Rafale regardless.
You are right about IR reduction, even the 117 which does have it implemented, should be greater level of IR reduction. Same thing with MAWS, though the F-22 one is IR/UV so shouldn’t have too many issues. AESA also needs some smoothing around the edges.
Sensor fusion is a whole thread in of itself, but yes, it should be implemented to many aircraft in game.
However, the F-22 will greatly suffer from many of those issues too, so if they DO fix it, then Rafale and eft will be able to counter F-22 so its a perfectly fine addition, but if they DON’T fix it, then the F-22 will also be hampered by the aforementioned issues, so eft and rafale could counter it, making it a perfectly fine addition
Reminds me of a certain catch I read about once. And seeing as it’s the F-22 being discussed. Put 2 and 2 together :P
Not really, even with 6 missiles on the Eurofighter, the RCS remained below <1
Eurofighter - RCS to high (missing RCS reduction features) // Gaijin.net // Issues
IR/UV MAWS like the ones on Mirage 2000, Rafale, F-22, F-35 aren’t supposed to have false alarms.
MAWS on the Mirage 2000 series should not have false alarms. // Gaijin.net // Issues
To be fair, I can only recall only two aircrafts in-game that really does have sensor fusion.
Not necessarily, F-22 lacks some of the sensors that would bring majority of the benefits to an aircraft like Rafale or the F-35.
The F-22 lacks IRST and LWR. Theoretically the Rafale would be able to fire a MICA IR which is a 60km ranged IR missile using the TV sensor and its built in laser-rangefinder and the F-22 would be unable to detect the launch (lack of LWR).
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we know the speed and size of the f-22.
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Strike eagles (and presumably regular eagles) got lots of software and hardware upgrades since their introduction in 1988, seeing as the one in game is at least from 2006 (has SDB) it should have sensor fusion. The reason you don’t hear about it is much is because they don’t sell strike eagles to other countries or the general public with sensor fusion like Rafale, EFT, and F-35, they sell it with its track record, payload, range, and flexibility. As F-16V has lots of 5th gen avionics and features integrated (like sensor fusion), and many of upgrades on F-16V were tested on and applied operationally to USAF F-16 (like the C in-game) F-16 has sensor fusion.
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So for MAWS, f-22 would suffer from this too.
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As for lack of features, this just proves my point that the Rafale and eft will have options to counter the F-22, as F-22 doesn’t have LWR (they might add the brand new IRST pods for F-22 lol)
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On my life why hasn’t the Boulton-Paul defiant been added yet
Probably cause they are using an CAPTOR-M not CAPTOR-E. Although that should still also have a faster scan speed.
He is referring to Rafale for this, as it does have AESA, and it isn’t as good as it should be
Though, with 838 T/R modules it won’t even be half as good as the APG-77 :P
Oh i see should really separate the list rather then lump them together as they are 2 different aircraft with different issues.
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must be that divine wind the japanese always talk about…
I’m gonna be completely honest the radars modes have nothing to do with IRST or LWR
Yeah, the APG-77 is impressive and possibly most powerful fighter radar, ever, but that doesn’t make it an IRST or LWR
what is lwr again?
Laser warning receiver in this context, what did you think it was?
im confused why would a plane need a laser warning receiver?
Brits had a beam riding SAM, and French had a laser rangefinder on their IRST. Considering the Russians use SAM and IRST, it wasn’t unreasonable to expect a laser guided threat from them, though to my knowledge there never was one
@Morvran and @DirectSupport would know more about it than me
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I don’t know the exact origin of why the RAF wanted LWR but I guess it’s simply a hold-over from experience gained from aircraft like the Jaguar, Tornado and Harrier. Given the range of equipment that can often appear in the hands of terrorist organisations like ISIS, it would not be unreasonable for them to acquire a laser guided SAM system or MANPAD. There are also a few laser guided A2A missiles including a variant of the Aim-9 iirc
Especially when you consider that Britain itself used and still uses laser guided missiles quite a bit like Starstreaks on Stormer HVM (still in service) or the Martlet missile found on things like the wildcat
In game, the main thing that comes to mind that it provides some protection against is Ka-52s firing Vikhrs
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I thought this was a joke topic, but it seems some of you are in here throwing sticks at each other like you personally designed the F-22 or Rafale. Must be that ol’ nationalism talking.
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Because the Russians and the French have made it so that they can guide long-range missiles onto their target using IRST+Laser. So Eurofighter, Rafale, and F-35 have LWRs.
Also, you want LWR so you know who is out there observing you. Helicopters may use their optics to observe you which contains a laser range-finder. And may fire missiles at you.
No forward facing guns and relied entirely on baiting out planes into diving on them thinking its a hurricane, would be worse than a swordfish in game