Well that is simply brilliant heartwarming news. I’m absolutely delighted at such mutual appreciation and neighbourly love. I hope the Germany tech tree can now be filled to the brim with all things Dutch. Hopefully Germany will receive the Windmill powered Panther used in Arnhem and Tulip firing Focke Wulf that featured so heavily in the battle of Britain.
Cheers
The Challenger Falcon also looks really unique
2 years late but finally!
Can you give us a hint of which nation could be added to Germany to help bolster its ranks?
I can very much see a “trainer” update to follow suit of the AMX, Alpha Jet and Hawk would be Awesome additions
There’s nothing to understimate. F-4F can not compete with 4th gen airframes in WVR combat, and definitely not in a dogfight. I’ve carried out many mock dogfights between the current in-game F-4F & 4th gen airframes (Tornado included!), and I was getting stomped by them, even the Tornado stood a chance (you know, possibly the worst platform you’d use to dogfight anybody).
Can it ocassionally win a dogfight? Yes, at it’s BR. Can it do it like a MiG-29 or F-16 or F-14B do? Absolutely not. It will be an AMRAAM bus, nothing more, nothing less.
Maybe due to lack of practice, but there’s a reason it’s strong and Germany upgraded their’s to ICE standard instead of purchasing F-18s until Typhoon was ready.
The entire reason why they upgraded them is because;
They already had hundreds of those in their inventory, and upgrading them is far cheaper than acquiring a new fighter model, especially when the EFT was only ~10 years away. Germany barely gave any shits about their Airforce at that point in time, the entire budget belonged pretty much to the Army only, until 1991 that is, cus then cuts happened, so can’t acquire a new fighter model without industrial benefits anyways.
Yeah, it’s gunna be a BVR fighter than can maybe survive an encounter with a 4th gen, but is unlikely to win a fight with one. Gunna be like the F3 and FA2 with AMRAAM.
it makes sense to me
It’s the only thing that could explain so much delay.
Yeah, something like a Hawk would have been the perfect filler last year for Britain and an ideal addition for Germany as well
F-4F wins against Tornado of equal skill 100% of the time.
F-4F wins against Mig-29 SMT of equal skill a number of times.
That and AMRAAMs make it BVR, where WVR is at most a boom & zoom and ideally rare in the hands of pilots that adopt doctrine practices.
We have not said this. We just said the Swiss Hunter was a specific addition designed to fill a gap and need and had not promised Swiss vehicles only to the German tree at the time.
Lmao. Okay buddy, whatever floats your boat.
F-4F wins against Tornado of equal skill 100% of the time.
I’ll wait for you to perform 100 mock dogfights against an equally good IDS/F.3 pilot, lets see if you win 100% of the time.
I think the F4 F ICE could fill that role, which Germany actually flew.
Swiss is back on the menu boys, lets go
It was originally stated by Defyn after his mock dogfights; and I did dogfights against SMTs as well to investigate his claims for myself.
And sure, I could fight my friend that’s a significantly superior Tornado pilot than I.
Swiss should be a France sub tree imo
Ah yes, Leopard 2A4s in French TT!
No.
Neither France or Germany can get a sub-tree right now with both having 5 lines in there ground tree.
and all 3 sub-trees so far have been ground centered. So unless they change how they do sub-tree neither of them can get one.
they still can put vehicles in gap