Mostly minor nation aircraft, + germany. Love it.
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what is wrong with BOL’s? (coming from someone who has not used BOL’s)
Very brief overview of issues. British threads should cover it in more detail. Alternatively, wait for Movran to finish typing.
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gotcha, i heard that they were smaller then normal CM. did not know that was the direct issue.
There’s a number of issues, this being the most pressing.
When the Gripens were first added, and chaff wasnt needed, people were running full flares and dropping them on a regular basis to make themselves immune to IR missiles (at the time, BOL were just modeled as standard flares, burn time and all) combined with 100m MP, and they were unkillable (note, was never an issue with the Harrier Gr7 in the 15 months prior)
So they made a fake nerf to reduce their effectiveness. Reducing its size by 75% (this is the fake bit) and reducing the burn time (making them far less effective in pre flare, though this shorter burn time is technically correct) BOL “flares” are technically modeled wrong and instead should be more like chaff that produces an IR signature and not a “flare”.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/B8OvCzjZ7E91
Appropriate bug reports.
But the short of it, is that BOL is at around 1/4 the effectiveness of regular CMs but should be more like Large flares (with reduced burn time) and standard chaff
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fair enough, im just happy my 2K finally got its correct chaff amount. (now just need the same for the 4K)
I am still pissed by the change to BOL because of Gripen. Not only did they kill BOL, they killed the relatively correct FM instead of fixing the one major issue causing it to overperform. Now it is a joke of an aircraft with a FM underperforming even the worst sources, BOL that barely works, and so few missiles that you can barely keep up in toptier when every other aircraft you’re facing carries upwards of 8. Still get kills, but not enjoyable.
Gripen. Actually, I think is fine-ish on the CM front, with 80 LCMs to fall back on, and a FM that can kinematically deal with a lot of threats. Its not too bad. Though yes, really does suck still.
The real victims are everything else. Especially the Harriers that struggle with being too hot to begin with. I feel especially sorry for the Viggen DIs at the moment, at least the SHar and F3 have amazing RWRs
2020 aircraft when??
I do agree it is the least impacted, but with all the attacks they’ve done on the performance of it, it really doesn’t hold up. Especially when they’ll buff other things for the sake of accuracy, but Gripen gets nerfed into the ground well below documentation and all we get from yanks is “good”.
But really, most things with BOL have been shafted in one way or other to make it barely functional. It would have been good for it to be fixed with F15E, if they aren’t going to fix the rest of the issues with these aircraft. But nope, yanks got something to make up for skill issue, rest of us got fucked.
It is amongst my favourite aircraft, so the state of it really hurts. Harriers are also favourites, so they hurt too, but I also don’t expect them to be a superb A2A platform.
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Whistles in the near 2019 version of the Tornado Gr4
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isnt the RMV a 2021 aircraft?
You are right there. Forgot about that thing
Thought it was still undergoing validation?
im not too sure, i dont know much about the RMV
the 2000D RMV has indeed entered service in 2021, the only validations that have taken place recently are for additional armaments
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This is not extra CM modules. F-15A/C 240 integrated CMs, are modules on F-15E.
Which are incorrectly implemented on the F-15E tbf.
not really they are just implemented in a different way, the only difference is that you can remove them on the f15E