wouldnt fit into the current game, 13.3? would not work
no 13.7 or 14 at least
IRST better radar than B
(it has a pilot controlled Radar jammer but i doubt they’d add that)
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It would be awful?
yeah aim 54c would be ass u right but a better radar to support its aim7m
and irst for the aim9m
how does IRST help 9M? Slaving it? You can just use the radar
IRST slaving shouldn’t ping RWR to my knowledge
We need to set this straight. The Fakour is NOT better than modern ARH missiles, full stop. I don’t know why you’re being so vague about this. It’s blatant this is the case.
The JA-37D has Aim-120s + It’s a trash premium plane. It does not represent to majority. The J-8F gets ARH and All Aspects (again, it’s not the majority since only ~4 planes don’t have IRCCM missiles at 13.0 and only 1 doesn’t even have all aspects… guess which one that is)
Again, 2 planes with vastly better kits but are lacking in 1-2 places is not comparable to a plane that’s lacking in all but 1-2 places with a mediocre/bad kit. You can’t just cherry-pick examples that prove my point and then act like you said something.
Significantly worse is a stretch for the J-11. The rest are fighter attackers, so yeah no duh.
Brother what? Besides a few outliers, here’s the list of the baseline things 13.0 Aircraft have:
Higher flare counts, All aspect PD radar, All aspect IRCCM missiles, Somewhat close to a 1:1 TWR, Digital RWR.
Lets see how much the F-14A IRIAF gets. Higher CM counts (X), All aspect PD radar (X), All aspect IRCCM missiles (X), Somewhat close to a 1:1 TWR (X), Digital RWR (X).
Versus an F-15A: Higher CM counts ( ✓), All aspect PD radar ( ✓), All aspect IRCCM missiles ( ✓), Somewhat close to a 1:1 TWR ( ✓), Digital RWR ( ✓).
Notice how the F-15A is a proper 13.0 plane even though its weaponry leaves a lot to be desired? That’s because it has the standard things to be equipped with to fight the planes it faces. The F-14A IRIAF has none of these. I hope you learned something today.
It doesn’t track in rear aspect. I’m not going to keep explaining this over and over. I doubt you’ve ever even flown an F-14 to see for yourself. It hits the same speed as any other missile. It obey’s physics.You can also outpull it if you know it’s coming and are in a decent jet. F-15C/E’s do it all the time to me and I’ve done it in F-16s.
It’s clear some bias is shining though, as not once have I alluded to that.
Well you tried to make a comparison to a rear aspect missile with 20gs vs an all aspect missile with 30gs of pull. And that’s to be expected. The Mig-29 is a light fighter and the F-14 is a heavy fighter. This is why the Mig-29 has HMD, the best SARH in the game, a good RWR, and cool engines. They’re fundamentally different aircraft and only explaining it’s cons is another sign you’re not here to actually debate, but just to be dishonest.
I’m not sure how that’s bias, unlike you, I clearly state my position away from my argument, and why I don’t respect the argument you tried to make.
Again, (I keep on having to repeat myself, getting really annoying) where did I say the F-14A IRIAF needs to dominate? Nobody is saying this stuff but you. I don’t think it needs to dominate. I’m saying it doesn’t have the fundamentals for it’s BR, which is a fact. Sure, the “standards for 13.0” are arbitrary, but they’re simply observations and generalizations of the 13.0 Aircraft and what comes standard with them. You can spot trends in planes right? That’s all I’m doing.
Wrong and wrong. I’m not talking about my stats so don’t bother, but all I’ve had to do is correct and correct you time and time again. Whatever lack of experience/bias you claim I have is irrelevant, as you’re clearly more experienced in lack of expierience.
So stealthy… within sidewinder range…
How would the F-14D be awful at 14.0? Given it’s got its engine buffs, it would essentially be a more maneuverable F-15E. Great Radar 6-10 Aim-120s, Aim-54C ECCM, Aim-9M, DFCS for better manuvering, etc… Plus, if it’s true that in the new update, you’re going to be able to turn off the instructor limiter, That would make the F-14D pretty great all around.
Amraams were not used operationally so assuming gaijin doesn’t fakeify it with those… it’s a god damn phoenix/sparrow only using jet?
Half the vehicles in WT have things that weren’t used operationally. But even without them, Phoenixes that ignore CMs is powerful.
You ASSUME you understand how everything will be added? But you don’t. You are assuming like 5 different things to say the F-14D would be decent.
Nah… take ‘Diet Phoenix’ away from my F-14D…
- only 2 things. Idk where you got 5 from.
1, It gets historic engine buffs
2, It gets Aim-120s
nah aim120 on f14 was scrapped in favor of the f18 program
It’s better outside 5 km. Better for BVR playstyle. Like i said earlier, DIFFERENT MISSILES FOR DIFFERENT SITUATIONS!
There being a copy paste premium makes 0 functional difference. JA 37Di has it significantly worse than the F-14A IRIAF. RWR without IFF, still no IRCCM, a radar that’s just as bad as the AWG-9, abhorrent flight performance. If you have trash defensive capability (both F-14A and JA 37Di) then you want to shoot missiles from a long way away. F-90 is much better for this.
I have mentioned most of the 13.0 aircraft. I am cherrypicking nothing. Most every one of them is a comparable aircraft in many ways.
None of these are universal, sir. I have shown you numerous aircraft already without these and you still think there is a standard. You’re incredibly ignorant.
Here is a comparison of some aircraft at 13.0!!
F-14A IRIAF
IRCCM: no. FOX-3: yes. Competitive airframe: yes. CM count: 60. TWR: 0.77 static. Full digital RWR: no. HMD: no. Score: 3/7
JA 37Di
IRCCM: no. FOX-3: yes. Competitive airframe: no. CM count: 200something. TWR: 0.83 static. Full digital RWR: no. HMD: no. Score: 3/7
F-15A Baz
IRCCM: yes. FOX-3: no. Competitive airframe: yes. CM count: 240. TWR: 1.21 static. Full digital RWR: yes. HMD: no. Score: 5/7.
J-11/Su-27S
IRCCM: yes. FOX-3: no. Competitive airframe: Yes. CM count: 96. TWR: 1.21. Digital RWR: no. HMD: yes. Score 5/7.
Tornado F.3 CSP
IRCCM: yes. FOX-3: yes. Competitive airframe: no. CM count: 32+320BOL. TWR: nonexistent. Digital RWR: yes. HMD: no. Score: 4/7.
F-16A-15 (Belgium)
IRCCM: yes. FOX-3: no. Competitive airframe: Yes. CM count: 120? TWR: i’m tired of calculating these, but it’s good enough. Digital RWR: yes. HMD: no. Score 5/7.
These are just standard examples of planes at 13.0. They all miss at least two of the “standards” that you so believe are required to be 13.0. There you have it, F-14A is fine.
Yes it does, unless the target turns away before seeker activates (common to all FOX3). I do not need to pay $90 for an F-14 to know this. I have 7x your amount of battles and have played plenty of missile thunder.
Maybe if you do a 16G turn in a Typhoon or Rafale? Nothing else really stands a chance at simply outpulling the missile.
You do not have a single game in any F-16.
Both will just fall out of the sky or get oneflared…
SPO-15LM is not a good RWR. MiG-29 heat signature is probably similar to an F-16 or Tornado.
I do not even need to make a guess here.
Scroll up, you’ll see plenty of other aircraft don’t possess these “fundamentals” you describe.
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Your statcard does not lie. You are just outright making things up to suit your argument. I can load your profile ingame and see exactly what aircraft you have flown out and your performance. Your claim to have outpulled F90s in an F-16 is entirely false as you don’t even own one. Again, your only experience in this BR and by far most flown aircraft is the F-14A IRIAF unsurprisingly… Even your squadron tag…
I have 7x your games and have played more than one aircraft in the BR. Absolute cinema.
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5km? Try 20-25km minimum. Just because it accelerates fast doesn’t mean it’s good close range. I can’t believe I have to explain this to people.
It makes a huge difference. Most premium planes are put it’s weirdo spots all the time because their players are trash. And I like how you list 3 things that both the Viggen and Tomcat have in common (with the F-14A having slightly better flight performance but worse missiles.)
You mentioned like 4-5 planes. That’s not even a fraction of them. As I stated before (and what you’re about to type below) is that you seemingly can’t argue based on actual parameters, so you come up with your own select examples
Where does this constitute to 3/7 based on your terms?? It has the worst of everything where you state “no” and has the least CMs and TWR (you listed the Tornado at “nonexistent” but according to online sources it’s static TWR is 1.06). I think you know the Tomcat is severely lacking, which is why you added an extra point for its “rating”.
I believe? This is not my “Standards for 13.0” This is you picking stats that make the F-14A airframe not look so bad against objectively better aircraft.
Great. Thanks for letting me know that all of your accusatory language toward my lack of experience has been of utmost irony this entire time. Not only do you lack knowledge of the situation, you haven’t even been on my side of the situation. The Fakour doesn’t track rear aspect.
4 different examples of the seeker virtually being unable to track the target. Even with radar assistance.
Lets move on from this. It’s a horribly overdone topic that is so easy to disprove.
The WT account you pulled my stats from to win an argument (another example of your position and agreements not being sufficient to actually debate) in not my main. I have played the F-16A, C, D(Barak), and AM. You can outpull the Fakour with them.
True, but one has capabilities the other doesn’t, and it’s one that makes it a lot more versatile, therefore, it was a bad example.
Comparitively to the F-14A RWR, it’s a good RWR, which was the point we’ve been talking about this entire time. Compared to other jets, the F-14A is nowhere near 13.0 material. For the heat sig, the F-16’s heat modeling is very good and coupled with the small airframe of these jets, it makes it very easy to decoy IR missiles.
If I want to play competitively, I’m not going to do it on a console account. This account is purely for comms and having fun when I’m away from my PC. So again, you’re derailing the debate because your actual points lack substance, which is very telling.
We can end this discussion here if you want. I’m not interested in debating if you’re just going to deflect and derail the topic at hand with old, baseless claims.
This might be a bit off-topic but
Both of the Regular TT versions of JA37D might want to know your location.
And, I hope you flew with Tornado ADV at least for once.
With a bit of joke and hyperbole, Tornado ADV in this game is flying like Supersonic F-117, or literally can be described as 4th gen F-104.
We are also awaiting the further FM fixes, but due to the limitation of the game engine, it will take a lot of time.
Yeah the tornados are horrible. I was grinding to get the AV-8B+ (Italy) and I had to spade the 2 (I think) tornados above it and it was horrible.
Well, those ones are Attacker variant (IDS)
Those Attacker Tonrado are vastly overrated due to ‘maximum bomb payload can destroy two bases at once’ (meaningless due to F-4S or MiG-23ML with napalm fly way faster than them, and taking bombs heavier than 1 base loadout are useless in current meta)
and ‘Guided munition in ARB’ (laughing cat picture needed)
- Can’t dogfight because it is an attacker.
- only two AIM-9L on 11.7 is insane, but because it is an attacker.
- It is an attacker but can’t deliver bombs to the base, so is forced to fight against the enemy F-4S/F-14A instead.
I never recommend them to play to others unless they are captivated by the Panavia Tornado.
Ah, Fighter variant on 12.0 BR is fine. worth to play.
They share almost every feature of the 13.0 Tornado F.3 Late, but just without AIM-120B and AIM-9M.
Same [Can’t dogfight at all] is an annoying feature though.
Ah, back in the old days, which Tornado IDS don’t have extra chaff (x680->x1200) on BOZ pod (only 56 CM total) and forced to fight against F-14A on 11.7…
I still have nightmares about it sometimes. even though it was nearly years ago. :/
Which made me dislike ‘F-14 in WT’ while still somehow liking ‘F-14 outside WT’ :'|
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