dude… the mig19 is still considered one of the best dogfighters Br for Br. im not kidding at all xD it can use rockets for flares, has two missiles that can force turns or catch folks stalled out, it has insane climb rate, turn rate, and sustained which is its go to. it can and does beat F8U2s.
jesus it used to be 10.0 along side the U2. it only got stuffed down when all aspect missiles appeared on the scene
i mean even defyn considers it still insanely strong.
yet again not what im saying at all
the dude im talking to about the damn Aim9L is saying the missile sucks.
The aim9L is a fantastic missile.
The f104s at the higher brs aka 11.3s are what suck, theyre over BRd, even i know this from seeing them after the changes to them, they are infact useless. its not false equivelant at all. the F104 that has aim9Ls at least has the advantage of having some extremely good missiles, not IRCCM good but certainly no blow over.
now this is going far too off topic for what this is.
im in agreement the F104s at 11.3, are compressed to uselessness.
however whats the solution ? shove an F104 that has 6 x aim9Ls down to 10.7? where it can see 9.7 jets? what would a hunter F6 do against someone with an insanely fast and well armed platform. its swings and roundabouts. we need more decompression and to move things such as the mirage 2k, F14A and other such area BRd jets away from jets taht cannot compete with them at all.
edit; changed the 4 x 9Ls to 6
again, all of said missiles are IRCCM missiles, which only specific jets at 12.3 have.
R73 is on a strike craft, python, magic 2 and PL5C are all IRCCM missiles which i specifically said are objectively better than the 9L
however that does not make the 9L a mediocre missile by any standard and as i said it is still a more than sufficient missile on the platforms that use it at even 13.0
the missile isnt what is holding back the 11.3 F104, the issue is its flight model and the compression from higher BR far more potent jets. or would you have an F104 with 6 x aim9Ls be downtiered to 10.7 ? for it to do what exactly completely destroy the brackets bellow it
At what point was this said?
the way your entire post is worded makes it sound implied, my apologies if it isnt
Python 3 e pl5c do not have irccm
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again was about to edit that as i did the one saying 4 x 9Ls. python 3 is essentially a faster accelerating 9L, and PL5C what jet is that on? xD ive got china up to 11.3 not seeing the C on any jet.
and the TAS RN is 11.3, realistically even if it goes to 11.0 its going to demolish anything bellow it. rather move stuff up, thats above it.
The ASA like i said definitely needs to go down thats not even a debate.
again though the way your post is worded shows that the youd like the BRs to go down, ive gotten yourself mixed up with some of the other comments i was reading across about the BRs. my apologies there.
only python in that grouping is relevant to 9L, the rest are higher tier IRCCM missiles or the magic 2
JH7
TAF is much inferior to planes like j7D, J7E and F5E which are 11.0, TAF was from this BR and never overperformed, now after the FM changes it should go back to 11.0
it should be a 11.7, it is on par with the mig 23 in many aspects, it doesn’t make sense for it to have a bigger br than the mig23
I indeed didn’t have problems with Fakour/AIM 54 when flying low and basically flying away from the center of the map. But there are short-mid range AIM-7F, R24R, R27 etc
The ASA is just in a very bad spot because it too has radar missiles but very little way to defend against them, so it can’t really go any lower. If gaijin doesn’t want to fix that than they have to decompress.
in that same br range 11-11.3 vc, already facing A10C with aim9m, MAW and HDM… It’s definitely not TAF that will break the game
taf can go over mach 1.2 on the deck … a10 cant even break 800 kmph massive difference you can choose not to engage the A10, the TAs also has 6 x 9L thats a formidable missile load even on a garbage platform.
read what ive said, why arent we all calling for stuff to get pushed up further?? even at 11.0 the tas will get pulled into 12.0 jets that will stomp it. aka F4S with 6 x 7Fs etc the whole reason stuff like the F104s, even the F4EJs for example struggle like hell isnt because they need to go down
its because the stuff that kerb stomps them needs to go up.
look at the bigger picture, the F104G for example, is 11.0 right now in ARB, if the TAS goes to 11.0, then there would be another post. demanding the F104G go down to 10.7, or lower knowing some people.
what then? we keep pushing everything down? or , we can all agree, that the F104s above the 10.7 area are completely useless due to things such as mig23, phantoms, mirages, f14s all absolutely kicking there teeth in and request for more decompression. E.G move the F14s, mirage 2k, Mig23s etc all into areas where in a downtier they wont get to fly around completely uncontested by anything that isnt the same BR.
the A10C as well btw is again a ground striking air craft that cannot dictate any fights even with aim9Ms you literally do not have to engage it within a range it can fight you at. or can disengage at will.
what about the su25BM? thing is 11.3 with R73s. yet it isnt that big of a problem.
the J7D, J7E and F5E should all be 11.3 or higher the fact theyre 11.0 is absolutely shocking tbh. the F5C is more than fine at 11.0 and the F5E is better than it objectively so why it isnt 11.3 is beyond me.
the J7E i have absolutely 0 clue why it isnt 11.3 or even 11.7 as it is an absolute monster of a jet and is currently absolutely busted at 11.0 same as the F8U2 at 10.0
and the Taf shouldnt even be the same BR as the mig23, the mig23 is probably sitting under where it should at 11.7 as it out does the ASA or is equal to the ASA opposed to worse.
and thats cool thought it was PL5Bs isnt c just an all aspect seeker on B? on the JH7 but they arent very different from 9Ls and while it says they pull 30Gs they accelerate too fast and are more like minecraft arrows.
There are other planes with radar missiles at lower brs, which also don’t have to sacrifice their cannons.
Without AIM-9Ls
Just me that sees a jet with 6 x 9Ls at 11.0 as an issue ?
Oppose to its current 11.3
TAF dont have 9L, only 9p
The ASA is 12.0