The F/A-18C (both early and late variants) in War Thunder feels rather underpowered at a battle rating of 12.7. There, it’s facing vehicles with Fox-3 missiles such as the R77/RV-AAE. The Hornet, however, does not have an option to carry the AMRAAM despite being pitted against planes with Fox-3s. In real life, the C and D models could carry AIM-120s just like it’s successor, the F/A-18E and F. So my proposal is to add AIM-120s to the loadout of the F/A-18C and move it up to 13.0 BR. Also, here is my source: F/A18 Hornet Strike Fighter :: Aviation Warfare :: USNA
Yeah uhhhh… No. We don’t need more Fox-3 premiums. What we actually need is decompression. Which is what the premium hornets and a plethora of other vehicles around that BR mainly suffer from.
First, that was fast. Second, I still believe that America should at least get one Fox-3 prem since several other NATO nations get the AIM-120 on their premiums. However, decompression would be a good idea. But just how exactly do you expect them to do it?
How I expect them to do decompression? No clue. More BRs is a thing. Although I’m not really sure how easy that is. But that’s a good start. Now a Fox-3 premium for America? I’ll be honest Gaijin probably sees the F-14D and is probably happy with just that. I wouldn’t be surprised. But the F-18 getting AMRAAMs just because and goin up in BR is not a good idea. Don’t ask me what can be brought instead. I don’t know. Guess time will tell.
I guess. I just feel like players who want to grind American air using a top tier premium, but still want good air to ground ordinance (like me) should be able to expect a good missile from the Hornet. Tbh I just feel that it’s unfair that nations like France get a top tier prem with AMRAAMs while the nation who made the AIM-120 is left in the dust.
I just saw the name of the topic in the alert window and immidiately got headache.
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Not issue unique to the premium Hornets.
Not issue unique to the Hornets.
What makes you think premium hornets with AIM-120s would be 13-honest to god-0 when the worst amraam hornet sits at 14.0 with 120CMs and no HMD?
wish granted, F-14D.
France with dutch F-16 and…ummmmmmmm…ehhhhh…cmon help me out guys
I wish for people to do some basic research before making suggestions but here we are.
and france was stuck with Mirage F1C when hornets were new (and before addition of premium Su30s). They skipped a generation. Eventually it will again be US turn to have busted premium.
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Ok, let’s break this down, shall we? First, I apologize if you got such a bad headache from my suggestion. My first statement had nothing to do with other aircraft besides the Sukhois with Fox-3s. Second, you do not have to be so blunt. With your question of what makes me think it should sit at 13.0, the F-14D sits at 13.0 with Fox-3s. If you want, I could say 13.7 but I believe that may be a little too high for it’s capabilities in terms of ordinance and general performance fighting. The F-14D has Fox-3s that a trash at short range, unlike the AIM-120. By “one Fox-3 prem,” I meant a medium range, decent performance missile. Sorry for not clarifying. On the topic of other NATO nations having the AMRAAM, I just went into the game and it appears the the premium Viggen is the only other plane with AMRAAMS (the Rb 99). This plane sits comfortably at 13.0 which almost completely invalidates your statement of moving the Hornet to 13.0 (if it wasn’t for the Dutch 16). And what did you mean by “do some basic research.” I had a link for the website I used to find out what the C Hornet carried. And on your last point, we’re not talking about the past. We’re talking about the present. Hopefully the US will get some sort of broken prem but I doubt it since the US got so much attention in the previous update.
Its not your suggestion. Its that this topic appears on regular intervals and its always the same arguments. At one point it stops being funny.
See, the issue is premium Hornets dont exist in a vacuum. If you want to buff a vehicle because one vehicle keeps encountering an issue, and said issue is encountered by most of the aircrafts at that BR range (say, premium Su30s), said issue cannot be reason for buff because it doesnt fix the issue (even if premium hornets got amraams, other 12.3-13.0 SARH carriers can still see premium Su30).
On the contrary.
Once again, all amraam hornets sit at 14.0. And phoenixes are not in any way shape or form comparable to to AMRAAMs.
no, thats pretty much where it would sit if devs dont give it dual amraam racks and 9Ms, since, once again, first finnish hornet sits at 14.0 with 120CM and no HMD.
You just said amraam hornet would be justified at 13.0 since F-14D sits there with Fox-3. Contradicting yourself?
allright, two amraams premiums. i give you that. still doesnt change that all amraam hornets sit at 14.0 at the lowest.
See, have you figured out why planes like Tornado, F-4F KWS etc. sit at only 13.0 with AMRAAMs but Hornets sit at 14.0? Ill give you a hint, missiles arent the single deciding factor.
Except im not challenging assumption that C Hornet can carry amraams. We have several C hornets in game in the TT that can carry amraams already.
Im pointing out you didnt bother to look up any of the X previous threads about AMRAAMs for premium hornets that were made in the past.
It is certainly choice to ignore historical context but you do you.
You mean heavy cavalry? the one when they got best Abrams and arguably best MBT in the game? aight.
but i do agree with you on this. I hope new US premium gets added and people stop complaining about F/A-18C early and leave it in peace.
Thank you with that last statement. I was beginning to think you were the type of person who just hates to hate but then pulls the most bs but true argument. I think I’m gonna give up on this argument now. GGs you win. I’m honestly not that good at winning arguments and I don’t come on here often enough to see this as a recurring argument.
The Viggen DI has notably weaker FM, RWR and missile loadout.
Even if the F-18C was limited to Aim-9L and not Aim-9M, it would still be a higher BR than the Viggen Di.
There is literally an F-18C with 2x Aim-9M, 10x Aim-120B and pretty much everything else I think is the same as the Premium F-18C and is 14.0.
Loadouts are a balancing decision, and not always a historical matter.
Which is why you have missing weapons such as:
Jaguar GR1A missing Aim-9Ls
Phantom FGR2 missing Aim-9Ls or Skyflash SuperTEMP
Sea Harrier FRS1 missing Aim-9Ms
Tornado GR1 missing Aim-9Ms
Tornado F3 missing Aim-9Ms
Tornado GR4 missing ASRAAM
Tornado F3 Late missing ASRAAM and Aim-120C5 (Or technically even Meteors)
Etc etc etc.