F/A-18 Hornet (Legacy): History, Performance & Discussion

A bit off topic question but can anyone tell me for sure what’s the deal with F404-GE-402 dry thrust? I see sources that say around 48,9 kN but also some that say its 53,9kN closer to Swedish RM12 dry thrust (54kN) and not sure what to think of it. Obviously thrust and engine data is always in some range but this is quite big difference. Its possible theres error in the source i have since they give GE-400 the 48,9 kN dry thrust instead but again afterburning thrust checks out for all versions.

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well that doesn’t help my with not afterburning thrust issue that much but thanks for extra info it seems that bypass ratio checks out more with what i have too than quick search as well.

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Well i guess 11000lbf for GE-402 seems more reasonable then. I guess find out soon whats with source claming quite a bit more and 11000lbf for GE-400

People should calculate the thrust to weight of the aircraft with just 1500kg of fuel, that’s the internal amount MiG-29 performance in the manuals is shown.

Also, the Mirage 2000 in a vertical will “stall” at 40 knots in certain conditions… The level flight speed is higher iirc. Would be interesting to compare the turn radius.

Lol irrelevant.

The Mirage does not need airbrakes that big it’s a tiny light fighter. More of your BRILLIANT interpretations of aviation once again?

First of all, the M2k is a DELTA, it’s also much smaller and much lighter at 16,535lbs empty as the Legacy Hornet is at 23,000lbs empty. The M2k is also not a carrier borne aircraft which requires chunky airbrakes for landing and takeoff.

Dude, you have been getting chewed up by everyone in every aviation topic…

i mean in a vertical you stall to 0 really

did it multiple times. The planes just starts to go “backwards”.

as for horizontal flight stalling, it is around 100-110 knots right now on the mirage 2000

Standing on the engines briefly is post-stall and the level flight stall speed imo is not when the nose is level, rather when it is at the AoA required to maintain altitude and it’s a bit lower irl so that may be something we can bug report.

I’m getting off topic so i’ll hide it :

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I tried testing it by maintaining my altitude.
Then again, i’m not great at testing, who knows someone more competent might be able to hold 90 knots.
I don’t have a procedure to test such things, just noticed i started dropping altitude going under 190 km/h (which is around 100 knots).
Then again, maintaining a good throttle to stay at the desired speed/altitude isn’t easy.

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F-18C High AOA roll performance before and after FCC OFP v10.7 upgrade:
roll performance enhancement

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You also get all the aerodynamic coefficients of F18 HARV here:

Including lateral-directional stability derivatives and control power of ailerons and rudders for example.



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Don’t know if this’d be considered a dumb question, but this has been on my mind for a decent while: what Hornet variant do y’all think we’re gonna get first?

I was thinking we’d start off with an F/A-18A sometime in early-ish 2024, then an F/A-18C with AMRAAMs in late 2024-early 2025
More importantly, what line would it go under? I’ve seen people say it could go interspersed between all the Tomcats, as well as folks say the strike/attacker line, but I’ve always thought it could be a bit of both.

I think the f14 line would make some sense as it is the navy line. But there are more f14s to add and f18 will come soon so maybe the strike tree is where the f18s end up.

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hornet actually sits in the F-16 line.

I doubt the Hornet, as big of an addition as it is, would sit in the strike line. the Super Hornet will definitely sit after the Tomcats.

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F/A-18 is equal parts fight and attacker, and conceivably can be after A-7E line or Navy fighter line. Highly unlikely that it ends up after the F-16 line.

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Personally, I see it going after the Tomcats or in between F-14A and F-14B with AV-8B either NA or Plus going after the A-7E

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I could see Gaijin pulling a funny, and adding it like this:
F/A-18A and F/A-18C in Tomcat line
F/A-18D (specifically the night attack version) in the A-7 line
F/A-18E after the F/A-18C
F/A-18F after the F/A-18D

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Legacy Hornets will likely go after the A-7s and the Super Hornets will sit after the Tomcats

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That ain’t a bad idea. It’s more interesting because the A-7’s were phased out with the introduction of the F/A-18.