GE proposed the F414 EPE, but it was not adopted and is still under development. Every production F/A-18E/F retains F414-GE-400.
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Every production Su-27 retains no dual pylon
Every production Yak-141 has no countermeasures or IRST
No such thing as Japanese F-16
There are about a dozen other examples of why they could add things based on balance over reality. The Su-27SM having dual pylons is a great example because the dual pylons is not even compatible with the airframe but was a proposed upgrade only realized on an entirely different plane (Su-35).
Gaijin could very easily give it the improved engines as a way to enhance the performance of the aircraft and balance it against other gen4’s. That goes for both F-18C and E
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Unfortunately no I think not, typhoon will have a better sustained rate easily. And At low speeds I’d need to see some radius data to compare.
Do you see what you replied to or what am I missing here;
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@Fireball_2020 Here you can see the GE-402 variant of the F-18C has closer to a 20 deg/s sustained turn rate when the 7.5G limit is removed, which of course is superior to the F-16C in similar conditions. If you have a similar payload and fuel weight in the F-16C it gets quite sluggish.
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the f-16 is not really a great competitor anymore.
i read that as you expecting F-18C to dominate dogfights in the game now?
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That is not what “until” means, it was presuming it would be added before the delta canards with HOBS ordnance would show up and potentially with AIM-9X or ASRAAM
ahhh that comment was before the rafale and typhoon release? nvm then
What mean “fully armed aircraft” ?
“12x AMRAAMS + 2xSW”? or “4 AIM7 + 2 SW” ?or “2x7M and 6x9M”? or "pair Harpoons and pair MK84 and 1xAIM7+2AIM9+TP?
Can you show the title page of the document?
The rest of the flight envelope roughly matches the data for 2x AIM-9 and 2x AIM-120 but shows the expanded part where it exceeds the 7.5G artificial limit @SandMartin
Usually in such graphs it is indicated weight of the aircraft and its payload or drag index.
Can @Gunjob ask name the document from which this graph is taken?
Here we see 20 degrees per second best sustained turn in this graph with “fully armed” Hornet. The document above states 19.2 degrees per second for 4 missiles and 402 EPE engines with only 4 missles.
It’s one of the Tornado manuals iirc with comparisons to other aircrafts’ turn rate charts including M2K and some others.
19.2 deg/s is considering the 7.5G limit, which is also seen in the above document. Did you not read?
Yes. But this graph show us 20 deg/s at 7.5G with fully armed hornet
yes, bear in mind at this time hornet data is said to be “optimistic”
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Slight discrepancy from the calculated F-18C performance shown with the GE-402 as highlighted by @SandMartin, clearly the aircraft in the British manual is not “fully armed”. Perhaps it is equipped with two sidewinders as that would be optimal for sustained turns and maneuvering air combat.
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I think fully armed in this context is likely just two Sidewinders and two Sparrows.
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If that was the case with 60% fuel the performance should not be higher than when it is equipped with two sidewinders and two amraam as the AMRAAM are lighter than sparrows. A reduction in ~700 pounds easily explains the performance gap between the documentation provided and the NAVAIR information.
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@MiG_23M Do NAVAIR and TORNADO documents have the same amount of fuel for Hornet? 60%?
By the way, can you post same graphs but for F-15/M2000 from Tornado Tactics Manual? We could compare them with the flight manuals and see how accurate and correct they are.@Gunjob
And if possible, the MiG-29 graphs. =))
It’s very interesting what the British guys thought about the maneuverability of the MiG-29 before it was declassified =)
It is also possible that we will be able to understand for what payload it is given by interpolating this information onto graphs from manuals of other aircraft.
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