F/A-18 Hornet (Legacy): History, Performance & Discussion

[EL337GH0ST]

I don’t know enough about it to say anything, but some people have indicated that its low speed performance is too strong compared to real life.

[wasa850]

The F-22 is not inferior, but it can lose.

[Panther2995]

@EL337GH0ST

Against the F-16s, it should pretty much be better in almost everything except vertical fights,

Except F-16 beats the shit out of F-18 in sustained fight while it also outaccelerates and climbs.

@EL337GH0ST

The F-22 will absolutely be a monster in a dogfight, easily comparable to the Rafale and Typhoon, which for some reason people think are like byplanes in a dogfight lol.

F-22 is better then both Rafale and Eurofighter on very slow speed maneuvers thanks to 2D thrust vectoring, on other scenarios both plane is actually better then F-22 most of the time.

@EL337GH0ST

Against the Gripen, it should fare fairly well

Simply no considering Gripen can turn just as good as F-18 can(actually it can turn better) while it can do better sustained turns.

This whole “murica makes the best jets” claim is quite funny.

[Mytho-GR1]

yeah flight performance wise they should be comparable the only major disadvantage the f22 would have in game is the lack of a HMD and missiles possibly if meteor is added

[EL337GH0ST]

Gripen might be able to turn better if it doesn’t get fixed, as it is wildly overperforming in sustained turn rate in-game.

[Mytho-GR1]

@EL337GH0ST

as it is wildly overperforming in sustained turn rate in-game.

what do you have to back that up though

[Panther2995]

Gripen is better then F-18 in both one circle and sustained turn fight in real life.

[Panther2995]

@Mytho-GR1

only major disadvantage the f22 would have in game is the lack of a HMD

They probably will add HMD to F-22 considering USA is already upgrading them. Same deal just like on Gripen A.

[Mytho-GR1]

probably

[SlowHandClap]

@EL337GH0ST

Too many people also think that the F-22 will be worse than a Rafale/Typhoon simply because it is mainly intended to be stealthy…it has already shown extremely good dogfight performance with barely trained pilots against Rafales with pilots who have over 2000 hours.

The F-22 will absolutely be a monster in a dogfight, easily comparable to the Rafale and Typhoon, which for some reason people think are like byplanes in a dogfight lol.

I know American exceptionalism has taught you to believe that America always makes the best of everything in every possible way, but it’s simply not always the case. There are design tradeoffs for stealth, which is why the F-22 and F-35 are the shape they are. The Rafale and EF don’t have any aerodynamic tradeoffs for stealth. They are optimised for manoeuvrability 100%. The F-22 by contrast doesn’t even have features for dogfighting like HMD and IRST.

@EL337GH0ST

The F-18, especially the C variant with EPE upgrade, will be a very good dogfighter as already proven with numerous documents. Against the F-16s, it should pretty much be better in almost everything except vertical fights, depending on the fuel and loadouts on both.

I don’t like using fighter pilot testimony to compare aircraft like you guys seem to love doing, but in this case you’re completely contradicting everything I’ve heard from US airmen about the F-16 and F/A-18.

@wasa850

The F-16, originally made as a pure dogfighter lost some of its capability but became more of a multirole

The F-16 was revolutionary because of the FBW system allowing pilots to fly a relaxed stability airframe. The F-16 is not the idea aerodynamic configuration for a relaxed stability airframe, the eurocanards are.

@EL337GH0ST

I don’t know enough about it to say anything

Finally the truth.

[ZVO_12_INCH]

Most likely according to the terms of marketing…JHMS+AIM-9X will be given starting from F-18E.

[wasa850]

Maybe it is. The first aircraft to have helmet + aim-9x in the US was probably the F-15.

[EL337GH0ST]

Comparing its dogfight performance and T/W ratio to both the F-16C and Mirage 2000s, and its instantaneous and sustained turn, and its delta wing design only slightly improved with canards over the Mirage 2000, it is obvious it is overperforming due to how easily it trashes both in a dogfight.

[Panther2995]

Correct me if im wrong but shouldnt F-16 suppose to be the first Us jet that has Aim-9X and HMD?

[wasa850]

I think Eagle was the first in the USAF

[Panther2995]

@EL337GH0ST

T/W ratio to both the F-16C and Mirage 2000s

Gripen’s T/W exceeds 1.0 with 50 percent of fuel on clean configration.

@EL337GH0ST

and its delta wing design only slightly improved with canards over the Mirage 2000

Tell me you have no idea about close canard delta design without telling me you have no idea.

@EL337GH0ST

it is obvious it is overperforming due to how easily it trashes both in a dogfight.

Any official source for that?

[Panther2995]

İ always thought F-16 was the first one in that case, thanks for the information.

[Mytho-GR1]

@EL337GH0ST

Comparing its dogfight performance and T/W ratio to both the F-16C and Mirage 2000s, and its instantaneous and sustained turn, and its delta wing design only slightly improved with canards over the Mirage 2000

you know its lighter then the F16 and the canards didn’t only provide a slight benefit
it also has much less drag

[wasa850]

I’m not sure, I think it’s an F-15.

[SlowHandClap]

@EL337GH0ST

Comparing its dogfight performance and T/W ratio to both the F-16C and Mirage 2000s, and its instantaneous and sustained turn, and its delta wing design only slightly improved with canards over the Mirage 2000, it is obvious it is overperforming due to how easily it trashes both in a dogfight.

The Mirage 2k has significantly worse TWR and wing-loading compared to the Gripen A/C. IIRC the mirage 2k is barely a relaxed-stability aircraft, and it had a pretty primitive analog FBW system. Avoid getting your talking points from mig23m

The idea that canards only provide a slight benefit is ludicrous.