Too many people also think that the F-22 will be worse than a Rafale/Typhoon simply because it is mainly intended to be stealthy…it has already shown extremely good dogfight performance with barely trained pilots against Rafales with pilots who have over 2000 hours.
The F-22 will absolutely be a monster in a dogfight, easily comparable to the Rafale and Typhoon, which for some reason people think are like byplanes in a dogfight lol.
The F-18, especially the C variant with EPE upgrade, will be a very good dogfighter as already proven with numerous documents. Against the F-16s, it should pretty much be better in almost everything except vertical fights, depending on the fuel and loadouts on both. Against the Gripen, it should fare fairly well, especially if that thing is fixed because it flies like a UFO and something is very clearly wrong with its flight performance.
Every plane is one big compromise. Gripen is a good example. It has a poorer engine, because it was necessary to find an acceptable ratio of range and power to its very small size. The compromise was to sacrifice some of the performance. The F-16, originally made as a pure dogfighter lost some of its capability but became more of a multirole
Except F-16 F-18 in sustained fight while it also outaccelerates and climbs.
F-22 is better then both Rafale and Eurofighter on very slow speed maneuvers thanks to 2D thrust vectoring, on other scenarios both plane is actually better then F-22 most of the time.
Simply no considering Gripen can turn just as good as F-18 can(actually it can turn better) while it can do better sustained turns.
This whole “murica makes the best jets” claim is quite funny.
yeah flight performance wise they should be comparable the only major disadvantage the f22 would have in game is the lack of a HMD and missiles possibly if meteor is added
I know American exceptionalism has taught you to believe that America always makes the best of everything in every possible way, but it’s simply not always the case. There are design tradeoffs for stealth, which is why the F-22 and F-35 are the shape they are. The Rafale and EF don’t have any aerodynamic tradeoffs for stealth. They are optimised for manoeuvrability 100%. The F-22 by contrast doesn’t even have features for dogfighting like HMD and IRST.
I don’t like using fighter pilot testimony to compare aircraft like you guys seem to love doing, but in this case you’re completely contradicting everything I’ve heard from US airmen about the F-16 and F/A-18.
The F-16 was revolutionary because of the FBW system allowing pilots to fly a relaxed stability airframe. The F-16 is not the idea aerodynamic configuration for a relaxed stability airframe, the eurocanards are.
Comparing its dogfight performance and T/W ratio to both the F-16C and Mirage 2000s, and its instantaneous and sustained turn, and its delta wing design only slightly improved with canards over the Mirage 2000, it is obvious it is overperforming due to how easily it trashes both in a dogfight.