F/A-18 Hornet (Legacy): History, Performance & Discussion

the only one that is arguing in bad faith is you rn:

of course they accept footage of the HUD when you try to report its symbology, but not for reports of the actual flight perforamance

see:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/fgBUWp0nYwkx

so you want me to look at your sources in detail sure:

and in the video you sent i see at most 45 to 50° of AOA so still no 70°

ontop of that your source is the histroy of the HARV project and its major milestones and not really any specifics of the actual aerodynamics or how it behaves at those high angles of attack

Yes yes please keep projecting, they all always do.

Most curious then that other examples of such were not accepted at completely different times, some with actual first party sources backed up by the videos. I know the folks who love the JA 37 have been trying for almost 2 years to get that HUD fixed.

  • Flight logs compiled by Joe Wilson and Karen Richards, available in the Dryden Historical Reference Collection.
  • Kenneth W. Iliff and Kon-Sheng Charles Wang, “Flight-Determined Subsonic Longitudinal Stability and Control Derivatives of the F-18 High Angle of Attack Research Vehicle (HARV) With Thrust Vectoring,” (Edwards, CA: NASA TP-97-206539, 1997).
  • Albion H. Bowers, et al., “An Overview of the NASA F-18 High Alpha Research Vehicle,” (Edwards, CA: NASA TM-4772, 1996).
  • David F. Fisher with Daniel G. Murri, “Forebody Flow Visualization on the F-18 HARV With Actuated Forebody Strakes,” (Edwards, CA: NASA TM-1998-206556, 1998).
  • Victoria Regenie, Donald Gatlin, and Robert Kempel, “The F-18 High Alpha Research Vehicle: The High-Angle-of-Attack Testbed Aircraft,” paper delivered at the AIAA Biennial Flight Test Conference, August 24-26, Hilton Head Island, SC (AIAA-92-4121).
  • David F. Fisher, John H. Del Frate, and David M. Richwine, “In-Flight Flow Visualization Characteristics of the NASA F-18 High Alpha Research Vehicle at High Angles of Attack,” (Edwards, CA: NASA TM 4193, 1990).
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How cute that you are actually opening these things up now, it only took 4 hours.

So this F/A-18 should be departing correct? By the standards of your manual that is.

Except that it is proof that higher than 35 degree AOA maneuvers are possible with the F/A-18’s airframe. 35 degrees AOA is not a hard limit unlike the manual claim’s.

because i honestly couldnt care less

because gaijin will more likely than deney those specific sources because the HARV isnt any of the F-18s we have ingame

During this phase, there were no external modifications to the aircraft, but technicians equipped it with extensive instrumentation

we dont know how it changed the weight of the f-18 (heavier or lighter dosent matter)
and iam also not sure if they mention what f-18 model they use / engines

and iam also not sure if they ever specified the exact test conditons e.g. fuel load, weather etc.

Once again, didn’t read the sources…

You know what, I’ll give you a reprieve this time since this is obviously taxing you greatly.

"The aircraft had a wing span of 37 feet 5 inches. The fuselage was 56 feet long and 10 feet 6 inches high at the canopy.

The HARV was powered by two General Electric F404-GE-400 turbofan engines, each producing 16,000 lb of thrust in afterburner.

The weight of the HARV was 31,980 lb, with 6,480 lb of internal fuel, in the Phase One configuration. It was 36,099 pounds with the same amount of fuel, configured for Phases Two and Three, including the thrust vectoring and spin recovery parachute systems"

The HARV stock, incedently is slightly heaver than a baseline F/A-18C, which came in at an empty weight of 23000 lb, while the HARV sits at 25500 lbs, 29480 and 31980 lbs respectively if both aircraft had the same fuel load.

I would chalk up the extra girth to the instrumentation installed onboard the HARV, but, I cannot see it giving the HARV any noticeable flight performance increase over a C or A, in practice, all that would need to be done to mimic the HARV’s performance directly with a base A or C would be to simply add in the extra weight as added fuel.

There are a ton that do exist, a few partially relevant reports are listed below.

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if you are talking about this right here, it got changed and the viggen has atleast the for WT relevant indicators

welp ontop of that gaijin dosent care anymore about the Viggen as it isnt top tier anymore / new

The viggen wasn’t cared for by gaijin even when it was new so that comment is entirely irrelevant.

thx, finally something that can actually be used for anything

yeah bc interest / playercounts for sweden isnt as high as other nations

as every other bug report that got accepted and never acted on, we can only hope/ cope that gaijin is going to fix it sometime in the future after they dont have anymore new planes to add

Well tbf theres only like 10 people who actually played the swedish airtree that didn’t just buy a premium and swap to a different nation immediately because sweden air has nothing to offer unlike literally every other nation lol.

Its literally the one nation i never see at 14.0 or 13.x aside from Di F21 players. And they are few and far between tbf. With how many of them you do see its weird there aren’t more top tier players but i guess if you want a good gripen 3 other nations offer it and more but im going off topic.

ontop off that only 1 of those 10 ppl is actually going to play his viggen in sim where you need the hud
and i think i might have found that one person
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The one person i think of when i think viggen in sim is Nimbal.

He is the one in another group of 10

list of videos with F-18 hud footage i could find

F-18 scores A2A kill in desert storm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKQ-ztykaQY

F-18 in a mock dogfight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6d2QvssEZA

F-18 performing carrier landing

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F-18 Airshow demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9PCfps4-bc

F-18 Test Pilot Departs Flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsvH6GGPi3I

F-18 in mock dogfight against Mig-29

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A few Bug-reports I made:

C-scope color changing depending on the UI color

Community Bug Reporting System
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Finnish F-18 wrong cockpit

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F-18 HUD inacuracies

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F-18 HUD symbology not working correctly

Community Bug Reporting System
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NGL kinda like being able to change MFD colors
Would be nice to be able to change the units from imperial to metric as well …

I understand that it’s not realistic, but IRL it would be a simple software change (and of course documentation and training change but that’s irrelevant for WT).

IRL most pilots fly at most a handful of aircraft types over their entire carrier, and usually from a single origin … In WT you fly hundreds of different aircrafts from various origins, so it would be nice to have consistent measurement units in the HUD and MFDs …

iirc a lot of if not most aircraft use feet for altitude and knots for speed even if operated by countrys using metric

the problem my autistic brain has,is that it only changes 1 mfd page and that is the c-scope
and something funny happens when you switch the UI color to black

Spoiler

Feet are gross

Give me metric

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