MiG-17 is a superior aircraft to the F-86K in War Thunder.
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F-86K out-dogfights & out-energies Mig-17 in War Thunder.
All Mig-17 can do is have a slightly higher top speed.
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Nope. Bad take.
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You’re more than welcome to 1v1 me when I get my F-86K spaded.
I have both jets but, If they were to engage in a TSS-style duel, the F-86K have no chance of killing the MiG-17.
Ofc It doesn’t mean F-86K should be 8.7.
Not to mention the F-86F-2 and CL-13B
9.0 one is CL-13A Mk.5 btw
Yes, the one with AIM-9B (like the F-86K) is 9.3
TSS? What is that
What about them?
What does this have to do with it?
Well then my response is that not only in duels, but in air RB in general the F-86K isn’t as viable.
I play this thing since it was 9.3BR but, don’t see any problems for sitting at 9.0.
Guns nerf was big oof but, iirc, F-86K is literally faster than CL so, since there are still top speed meta in 9.0BR and lower, no need to move it to 8.7BR in light of decent top speed and x2 AIM-9B.
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F-86K isn’t faster than the CL13A or CL13B in most circumstances. It’s just not a very competitive 9.0 and fits in better at 8.7. F-86K also can’t turn at all which kills it because uptiers everything is faster anyway.
There are many 8.7s with similar top speeds and AIM-9Bs are not special at 8.7
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On deck, the top speeds are almost the same, but as the altitude increases, the F-86K is faster than the CL-13A. And of course, it is much faster than the F-2 Sabre and F-40 Sabre. And the main difference between CL-13 and F-86K is the gun and weight.
Even though fire rate has been nerfed, it is still basically an F-2 gun and functions as a death laser most of the time unlike 50cals. It is a bit of a trade-off of better guns or better maneuverability.
The G.91R/4 is much slower than the F-86K/CL-13A, and the A-4B/A-4E bleeds speed extremely faster in one circle turn also, still slower than Sabres. FJ-4B is literally fatter than A-5 Sabre.
The only 8.7BR aircraft with AIM-9Bs far faster than the F-86K is the Scimitar as far as I know, but it turns like Hunter and has a broken rudder.
You want to see F-86K has same BR with regular Sabres even it is literally better at all except tunrate?
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It isn’t better. Your comments in my opinion are mostly wrong here regarding nuance and actual performance. The F-86K rarely shines in any scenario due to it being strictly inferior to anything above it in BR while only being a tiny bit (yes a tiny bit) faster than the other sabres at any given altitude.
Compared to other F-86s except CL-13B, the F-86K is inferior only to a limited AoA.
If you want I can take a screenshot using WTRTI after the working day is over.
Almost all Sabres (and other 9.0BR jets) suffer when they get an uptier. It is literally not just an F-86K issue. Also, you somehow miss the point that it’s guns, while inferior to the F-2 Sabre, are superior to the other Sabres.
BTW, If you don’t consider being just a “tiny bit” faster to be better, why not post a rant on the forum about moving the CL-13A Mk.5 to the 8.7BR as well because it is basically “tiny bit” faster F-25 Sabre?
It would be a very cracked plane, if not as cracking as it was in 2018 🤡
This is simply incorrect.
Nope. The other F-86s retain an advantage in dogfighting whereas the F-86K has no advantage in either dogfighting or hit and run attacks.
Guns don’t matter when the jet can’t get its nose on target to use the guns.
You’re so close to understanding how this all works, and no, that probably doesn’t mean what you think.
My WTRTI says F-86K can outclimb CL-13A Mk.5.
Rolllate is slower but, it is fair because F-86K has same wing with F-40 Sabre that is longer than regular Sabres.
Also it actually can’t pull the AoA higher than CL-13A Mk.5.
If you disable the instructor and measure AoA with the sim control, you can pull higher AoA on both Sabres, but most ARB players don’t use the sim control. And it’s simply too much trouble to look it up lol.
While it is true that it is hard to retain an advantage in a dogfight, it is simply wrong that it cannot gain an advantage in a hit-and-run. F-86K has same top speed with CL-13A on the deck but has better climb.
It is simply pointless to compare aircraft with different BRs, as most 9.3BRs are waaaaaay better than most 9.0BR aircrafts in some way. However, when compared to aircraft of the same BR (especially F-2 Sabre, MiG-17, CL-13A, Hunter F.1, F-40 Sabre), it has enough performance to compete with them on equal terms.
Your example is bad simply because most 9.3BR aircraft, with the exception of the Ariete and the G.91Y because,they can quickly escape out of range of your gun if you are on 9.0BR aircraft and get hit and run.
And if you can’t aim against aircraft sitting in the same BR or in a lower BR than the F-86K, it is a skill issue.
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