This is a skill issue thread.
I kept reading about how great this plane is and what an amazing dogfighter is, so in my mind i expected a better F8U-2 and what i got instead is a worse MiG-19PT at 11.0
How do people even lose to this thing? All you have to do is literally fly away and turn around. What is the F-5E gonna do? Fire his 2 limp Aim-9Js which are just glorified Aim-9Es?
Alternatively you can just turn fight at low speeds and watch him struggle to not hit the ground
The cannons, which realistically are the only weapons he has, are worse than F8U-2 since they have lower velocity and only gets 2 and don’t do any damage
I kept reading bad advice such as “climb to 3k alt”, those are probably MiG and Phantom players looking for free kills. Or “energy trap the enemy team” lmao, the only one ending up trapped is the F5 since those weak ass engines cannot accelerate when needed and energy retention doesn’t help since a MiG will just cut into your wide slow turn and will stay on your six and will get all his energy back in like 5 seconds. One turn with a hint of vertical is all it takes to lose half your speed that you’re never getting back
I have the pilot maxed out and bought expert qualification and it will still black out at the beginning of the turn, so i guess all that energy retention comes from flying straight after blacking out, you could use negative Gs (which i do) but that only makes you wide turn even more wider, so i really don’t understand where the misconception that this plane can outturn most planes come from (i am aware of 1 circle and 2 circles and their consequences but this plane is bad at both)
I also see some older posts claiming this thing has a cold engine, like bro what? It sits at 670 C while F8U-2 is around 30-40 degrees colder lmao
How does this thing gets to 11.0 while the vastly superiour and overpowered F8U-2 sits at 10.3?
How do you lose against F-5E without sound like a noob?
This plane left me extremely disappointed and frustrated, i haven’t felt this way since the Swift F1. Only 74k rp until i get the Phantom and i’m never touching this again
Everybody that called this plane great, owes me 2 million SL and 500k RP
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I can’t comment on the ‘normal’ F-5Es but the thai FCU model has been very nice to me.
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The Mig-19PT is indeed a better dogfighter, but it’s without flares or AIM-9Js.
Gotta use F-5E as an energy fighter that out-dogfights most things at its BR.
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At least you admitted the problem in your first sentence.
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Gotta use F-5E as an energy fighter that out-dogfights most things at its BR.
That’s the neat part, it doesn’t. I have all the performance parts unlocked and this plane is very sluggish, F111A pulls more AoA in a 1 circle and 2 circles is simply not a viable tactic in warthunder, maybe at the end of the match where it’s a 1v1
This plane is amazingly bad at 11.0, i cannot fathom why are people calling this plane strong, while you have the better plane, F8U-2 at 10.3
I read some posts that calls for this to be upped to 11.3, which is wild
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At least you admitted the problem in your first sentence.
Are you gonna provide any information or are you more clueless than i am?
Pulling harder =/= winning.
Especially since F-111A gets out-rated with ease.
F-8U also performs worse.
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honestly, with the Thai f-5e at 11.3 that has far better missiles, understandable. Even at 11.0 you can argue the Norwegian F-5A is better(even tho it suffers from being an F-5A) since it has IRCCM missiles.
Didn’t you created similar thread and it got locked?
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Th F-5A(G) has no IRCCM missiles…
The TL;DR answer to this post,
look at the A6m series from props, notice how they’re horrendously overtiered for their flight performance as of right now? It’s because most people want to turn with everything, and as of right now, the F-5e has the best flight model for tight turnfights.
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Didn’t you created similar thread and it got locked?
Yes, i was told to make it here and rename the title
Pulling harder =/= winning.
Especially since F-111A gets out-rated with ease.
F-8U also performs worse.
I agree that pulling harder doesn’t necessarily means winning, but it does against F-5E since you will end up on his six and that forces defensive flying and you can bleed him of energy
The F8U-2 is an absolute beast, it can turn full throttle with flaps indefinitely and will never drop below 480 km/h and can get his energy back, unlike the F-5E
The F-5A(G) has the same engine output as the F-5E whilst having the lighter airframe, it’s the best F-5 in-game currently.
My bad, for some reason I thought it had aim/9L/Is
Doesn’t it still have the GE-13s? At least it feels like it accelerates worse than the Thai F-5E.
best flight model for tight turnfights
This is the part that i do not understand, i am playing the F-5E right now (one more match until Phantom), yet for the life of me i cannot find this “tight turn”. Against what? All doritos have better AoA and tighter turn radius with far superiour engines that will run circles around me, hell even Su-25 can keep up if at higher speeds
When i played the F8U-2 i literally did a rolling scissor on an F-5E on my six then got into a turn fight and after a few circles he had to disengage or he would have crashed, then i followed him with my better acceleration and skilled all over him
Why are people crying about this plane when it’s so mid?
Just checked and the engine thrust output on the F-5A(G) has been corrected, it originally did have the same engine output as the GE-21A whilst having the GE-13 but this seems to be corrected.
Here is a image prior to the fix
It’s correct now, the FM of the vehicle is still amazing and I haven’t come across any issue with it - the F-5A(G) is probably the best F-5 for BR in-game as of now.
What the shit?
Did you hit the crackpipe before posting this?
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No.
F-5E have 2200 thrust with the afterburner where the F-5A(G) have under 1500 kgf
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Did you not read the message I literally just sent a second ago? 🤦
“Just checked and the engine thrust output on the F-5A(G) has been corrected, it originally did have the same engine output as the GE-21A whilst having the GE-13 but this seems to be corrected”
I even uploaded a image of the previous iteration of the F-5A(G) which showcases the thrust proving what I said at a certain period was correct, instead of replying to something which has been corrected do something more productive.
Evidence
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