stock mods are not what to base opinions on
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100% disagree… for a significant portion of the game its all you have… I’ve no interest in discussing it further.
so, Su-30SM2 is bad because you only get 16% of your spaded fox-3 count
No dude, stock munitions is completely irrelevant when comparing vehicles
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Actually thanks to Leina, but nice try.
As for F-5s, there is no real solution outside of decompression. They’re just gonna have to continue sucking for now.
Exactly what part of this wasn’t clear?
No, it is your problem who cannot accept the explanation of others.
Stop playing words, and stop derailing the topic.
THIS THREAD is ORIGINALLY aimed about
‘F-5C(USAF) and F-5A(Thai) are awful compared to NF-5A(Dutch) or F-5A(ROCAF). so how are we need to solve the problem’
And you are telling
“Every F-5 are ass, I am right, even though my stats are awful, I don’t want to hear others speaking”
Caern explained why F-5 is hard to play.
-Because F-5 are gun STR fighter
I suggested solution to make those ‘being less-worse than counterpart’
-give them AIM-9J/P to tie.
you came out and
-skill issue of US main are myth (while having terrible stats.)
while cherrypicking and quotemining things.
We all wants to get F-5A(Thai) being compete compared to F-5A(ROCAF)
but, your movements in here aren’t helpful, in same level of Gaijin’s update. fr.
Look at us all now, we are discussing F8F-1 in F-5A topic.
Partially, Decompression is also needed.
but in the context of this thread, F-5A(Thai) and F-5C(USAF) need to get AIM-9J equivalent first.
to let them make work as same as F-5A(ROCAF) does.
They need polishing FIRST.
probably because F-5 needs high skill. unlike prop era, in missile jet era, turnfighter needs higher skills compared to missile bus
you need to take perfect chance while missile buses engage in third-partying engagement and just stealth-firing missiles behind.
I mean, typical missile busses that cannot dogfight, such as SHAR FRS.1 or Bucc S.2B, are straight awful compared to F-5C, but they are infinitely easier to use.
While F-5C is still barely keep things up but hard to play for newcomers.
Its spec still meets for being its BR. but needs polishing, with decompression.
and AIM-9J. (bc some F-5s in same BR have those, while others can’t.)
They are in the sweetspot.
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I wouldnt say STR is hard to play especially the hunter/F-5 kind of STR as they keep speed really well. I was just explaining how its not a missile fighter.
but your point stands, this guy is just derailing the thread out of cope
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Well… 🙄
I skipped some words for easier explanation but yeah, thanks for confirmation. :)
prob giving 9J/P wouldn’t big upgrade since F-5 are relying on guns
Still, it is a straight upgrade compared to its counterparts, which are same F-5 variants.
Yeah, his derailing cope isn’t helpful for both F-5 and discussion. :|
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Hey @Surbaissemaxxing can you clear out the trolls in this thread?
@Stockholm_Blend and @Caernarvon02 in particular are derailing it.
Sir, How in a world talking about F-5A is deraliment of topic?
when you are talking about F-5E instead.
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Surbaissemaxxing and other forum mods getting pinged by kids because someone said something (correct) thats in topic, genuine and accurate but they dont like:
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Guys I would like to remind you’re to debate the topic not the user so you can move it to dm’s if you want to or leave each other alone!
Anymore off topic messages will be removed!
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…anyways i have a proposal
F-5C and american F-5A should have their FM fixed and their CM’s removed (also pretty sure they are not supposed to have 9E’s aswell)
ofc they would go down, by how much i dont know since placing them at like 9.3 would probably be a little too low but 9.7 and above is really compressed so…
so that should happen
chinese F-5A and thai F-5A should be higher since they should have access to 9P’s
NF-5A is of course going to be higher than all of those listed above due to its stronger engines
norwegian F-5A is kinda weird since it has CM’s irl and 9L’s so idk where that should go
so i suppose thats how those should be place relative to each other
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Moving the F-5s below 10.3, even with removing their flares and missiles, would make em too strong. Imagine fighting an F-5 in an F-100D.
Realistically, the only real option is let them continue to suck for now until the BRs are properly decompressed.
Prob AIM-9B would be fine to retain?
I like this ‘historical-ish’ proposal.
but well,
Gaijin is lazy, and doesn’t want to do many things, and prob F-5C(USAF) owners will complain when they are forced to be slaughtered by A-10A/Su-25K with all-aspect IR missiles (thanks gaijin for making BR compressed as f)
Sooo, your proposal sounds ideal, and I like it
but prob making every F-5A/C variant similar to make them tie would be easier to implement?
They probably can keep even worse missile, AIM-9B.
That is why he also mentions decomp.
w/o decomp, F-5A/C(USAF) w/o CM in 10.0-ish could be very, very complicated plane.
continue to suck(X)
sweet spot(O)
If they get AIM-9J/P as polishing, then it would be perfect.
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unironically the only thing that has a small chance would be the Hunter F.6. Hunter may be the problematic STR fighter of that BR region but that wont matter against an F-5.
SRAAM, however, would very much matter. If thats fired at a decent angle at less around 1.5KM nothing without flares or firing rockets can escape it. The only thing able to counter something decently would still be entirely reliant on the F-5 player being trash.
In other words pretty much nobody below 11.0 can deal with an F-5 even if it was flareless.
massive decompression is required, however the F-5s should sit higher within the overall mix compared to what they currently do
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Well, let’s start from the fact that compression is needed across the board to tier them properly .
Then…
You have MiG 21SMT/MF , you have M5BA and M3S C.70 ,35XS and F35, F8U-2 ,AJ37 …and ofc A-10 and Su-25s with all aspects (because they are slow) .
Please explain me how the F-100D (for example) manages against them , and while they can outfly it they can also lob a missile that you won’t escape (and even with rocket pods for flares you’ll sacrifice performance you don’t have)?
It’s rhetorical question for the most part… in equal terms an F-100D is just fodder for any of this.
For the F-100D even the Ayit at 9.7 is way too much.
On the other hand, you can’t have all of the above at 10.3 and say the F-5A/C (especially when we say removing CMs, 9Es and fixing the FM and the engine’s heat which are wrong) is OP .
Also, for the most part in the game, when you compare the vehicle BR difference of 1.0 or 0.7 above will certainly have capabilities a lower vehicle won’t have. And that’s why we need big decompression to at least create space for some vehicles that in the current status , they will be garbage just because they uptiered one step and they’ll be godmode because they downtiered…
I the gunfight event i could fight a F-5E in a MiG-19S …well i couldn’t win the long fight but on occassions i would have down him before it gets to position if my aim wouldn’t suck… i had him on sight at least 2 times and i missed.
And not once. That happened in enough games.
But the thing is, they need to fix both the FM and engine heat anyway… then move down. In any case both of those stats are wrong.
They can’t. The MiG-21s, 35XS/F35, AJ37, and F8U-2 (aswell as F8E) are all long overdue for a BR raise.
Moving the F-5 to a lower BR right now is a bad idea.
Thought I’d finally crew my F-5A for Japan
This thing is great at 10.7 and doesn’t need better missiles
It’d be nice to have some but its a great, fun little plane that can get more than enough kills with decent aim.
It’s great at ground pounding and although the missiles can be a bit lacklustre and frustrating at times, the guns and FM is where this plane shines.
