This is an F-5 topic.
If you want to discuss M2 I recommend DMs or an Su-17 topic.
I gave my barely-on topic responses, nothing more to say that’d be on-topic.
Do people realize that placing F5C at 9.7BR without flares would be even worse than the current situation?
Putting supersonic vehicles without flares against high G missiles has been a disaster for balance. Stuff like the MiG-19 and MiG-21 were pushed all the way down to 9.3 BR as a result.
What is some dude in his 8.7 Korean War jet going to do against an F5C? Even in team situation…something like F5C will destroy something like MiG-19 in most cases.
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showed you one that doesn’t so its on topic.
Still, check out the sources that are in the bug report. None show anything about F-5C or A using flares
As the creator of the post I only ever said 10.0. 9.7 is the fantasy of some others
…Do y’all even remember the Mitsubishi T-2 exists at 9.7 with better missiles and is just fine?
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I am surprised this F-5C debate is still ongoing. Gaijin wont ever remove the flares. So that is a dead argument. The better argument to fight for now, is to fix how IR signatures work in-game. Currently, they focus ONLY on the engine temp, not the exhaust temp. This means that an F-5C on full reheat is actually a colder target than many other aircraft at its BR
F-5C
Sea Harrier FRS1
This makes its flares more effective than they should be and the aircraft a LOT harder to fight than many other aircraft. Overhauling how IR signatures work would result in a massive change to the game’s dynamics. Flares would be less effective on their own and to defend against a missile, you’d need to take more action.
IRL, missile systems like the Aim-9L would be unaffected by flares when fired in rear-aspect against a target that was on reheat. It is not in game
CTTO Jaguar tactics manual (3rd edition)
Fix the game, and you’d fix more than just the F-5C, without moving the problem elsewhere. Its cold engine nature would still make it a menace, even without CMs and at a lower BR. No one complains about any other aircraft at that BR having flares. So why does everyone hate the F-5C? Its simply because its too cold
Failing that, just increase the engine temp of the F-5C by 50°ish and/or a 1.1x-1.2x multiplier to engine temp on all aircraft whilst they are on reheat.
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It’s already at that BR what are you talking about?
At least when I get on his tail with a 30G rear aspect I might land a kill
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It’s ahistorical, what makes it a dead argument? Clearly the vehicle doesn’t need flares to be balanced. It’s way too strong as it is. If your argument is “premiums should be strong” then why isn’t it at a lower BR than it already is? Gaijin clearly wants some aspect of balance.
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This is an immense amount of effort versus removing the ahistorical flares from one plane.
This argument has been on-going for years. No one has been able to provide suffecient evidence to prove that fact to gaijin. Simple. So what other options are there?
Besides removing its flares would reduce sales. Which is something you care deeply about
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What? Gaijin knows the addition is ahistorical they did it for balancing reasons. The current BR makeup of Air RB no longer necessitates this change. Either the F-5C needs to be moved up in BR or its flares need to be removed.
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But that would reduce sales.
I care about historical accuracy I do not enjoy fake vehicles in my game. If I did I would be playing World of Tanks. Remove its flares and place it at 9.7 if necessary.
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The vehicle is about to be usurped by the F-20 it would encourage sales of the more profitable plane which is the more logical choice. Reducing the effectiveness of the F-5C would boost sales (of the F-20).
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So submit a bug report with the correct evidence for that. Others have tried and they’ve all been rejected
Flares have never been added for “balance” otherwise I want the Harrier Gr3 CMs on the Harrier Gr1.
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Again I do not understand your confusion.
It’s not an unknown thing, Gaijin intentionally gave it flares this is a noted change.
Not all SPS-141 pods were with CMs. There are some variations of it.
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Only done for this one plane, not say… the F-4F Early or F-1, both at the same br in ARB, both lacking flares.
But of course, one of them is a premium.
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That’s why there’s F-4F in tech tree with countermeasures… Though at 10.7
F-1 never had any sort of countermeasures to my knowledge