10.0, it is better than the T-2
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I think honestly it would be 10.3 with or without flares, the FM is simply too good and it can carry rocket pods or something.
But i’d rather it had flares, though I think it could easily be 10.7 based on its FM.
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Making it 10.7 would be a possible solution as well
Works for me, Hell i’d even suggest it got a better missile if it went up, so long as it saw flight models that can compete with it more often.
No it’s not. And it’s perfectly balanced at 10.3 with flares.
It’s much better then anything at 9.7 let along at 10.0 without flares.
We have the G.91YS at 9.7 with no flares and aim-9Bs.
10.3 with no flares or move it as it currently is to 10.7 and the F-5E to 11.0
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İf you think F-5C is balanced at 10.3 in it’s current state you are clueless about aircraft.
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you dont get the autovictory against flareless jets the T-2 gets. So 9.7 is probable
Su-17M2 would like to disagree.
You see the weird pod below the MiG-21SMT in WT? That’s the ECM pod that includes a pack of 64 countermeasures. It’s added automatically when Flares are enabled in the mods window, however, the Su-17M2 was also capable of carrying the ECM pod, yet where is it. it’s the most famous example, because there are other jets lacking flares when they should have
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Su-17M2 is the single best dogfighter at 10.3 along with having R-60s.
It rose from 10.0 to 10.7 during its airspawn days because of how powerful it was.
Mig-21SMT is a worse fighter than Su-17M2, and Mig-21SMT is slightly better than F-5C.
Your whataboutism failed.
the hell. We’re not talking about combat capabilities back then, we’re talking about FLARES. I responded to your post that said that every jet had flares by mentioning a jet that does not have its flares.
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Anyways, here’s a bug report about it.
11 people agreed with it and there are two sources.
It’s been sitting in the dust for a year now without any official rsponse, and that’s the first thing that comes up when searching for it. Which shows how its ignored despite public agreement
( Community Bug Reporting System )
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M2 itself doesn’t have the equipment.
M3 does, which is why it has flares, which the Syrian one can have more.
M4 it was fully standardized.
No matter what, we see what happens when F-5A-like aircraft don’t have countermeasures: They go to 9.7.
Whether it’s Mig-21S, or T-2, or others.
People have an issue with those 9.7s as is, and those 9.7s have issues facing all-aspect missiles.
M2 doesn’t have the equipment, but still can carry the ECM pod, which has 64 flares included, so techncally it can have flares just like the SMT has them
(Pausing topic here, gotta go to sleep. I’ll respond tomorrow)
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This is an F-5 topic.
If you want to discuss M2 I recommend DMs or an Su-17 topic.
I gave my barely-on topic responses, nothing more to say that’d be on-topic.
Do people realize that placing F5C at 9.7BR without flares would be even worse than the current situation?
Putting supersonic vehicles without flares against high G missiles has been a disaster for balance. Stuff like the MiG-19 and MiG-21 were pushed all the way down to 9.3 BR as a result.
What is some dude in his 8.7 Korean War jet going to do against an F5C? Even in team situation…something like F5C will destroy something like MiG-19 in most cases.
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showed you one that doesn’t so its on topic.
Still, check out the sources that are in the bug report. None show anything about F-5C or A using flares
As the creator of the post I only ever said 10.0. 9.7 is the fantasy of some others
…Do y’all even remember the Mitsubishi T-2 exists at 9.7 with better missiles and is just fine?
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I am surprised this F-5C debate is still ongoing. Gaijin wont ever remove the flares. So that is a dead argument. The better argument to fight for now, is to fix how IR signatures work in-game. Currently, they focus ONLY on the engine temp, not the exhaust temp. This means that an F-5C on full reheat is actually a colder target than many other aircraft at its BR
F-5C
Sea Harrier FRS1
This makes its flares more effective than they should be and the aircraft a LOT harder to fight than many other aircraft. Overhauling how IR signatures work would result in a massive change to the game’s dynamics. Flares would be less effective on their own and to defend against a missile, you’d need to take more action.
IRL, missile systems like the Aim-9L would be unaffected by flares when fired in rear-aspect against a target that was on reheat. It is not in game
CTTO Jaguar tactics manual (3rd edition)
Fix the game, and you’d fix more than just the F-5C, without moving the problem elsewhere. Its cold engine nature would still make it a menace, even without CMs and at a lower BR. No one complains about any other aircraft at that BR having flares. So why does everyone hate the F-5C? Its simply because its too cold
Failing that, just increase the engine temp of the F-5C by 50°ish and/or a 1.1x-1.2x multiplier to engine temp on all aircraft whilst they are on reheat.
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