It would appear i forgot to add the words “with HMD” to that post. I will correct it.
Even a single br increase would mean being uptiered into MiG-29SMT, AMRAAM Tornado, and a bunch of extremely strong airframes with IRCCM missiles. While you still have only PD HDN mode and whole 4 AIM-9L. Oh, and don’t forget weak RWR and only 60 countermeasures. And a flight performance of a brick.
The significantly inferior F-4EJ Kai without HMD, dogfight slats, and with a worse strike armarment selection, sits at 12.3. The F-4S, if equipped with AIM-9Ls, would be far better than the EJ KAI, and thus a higher BR.
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Guys FGR series should recieve Aim-9L’s, not F4S.
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That’s a more valid point ye.
The F-4S we have is a premium and represents and early variant of the plane. Better keep it like that ( tho the bombing bots will cope that 9L would make the plane that they play wrong in the first place better lol)
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HMD but a worse radar. So a good enough tradoff to be at the same BR.
Just lmao. Both have their upsides and downsides. The F-4EJ Kai has a far more reliable/better radar and has an internal gunpod, meaning it won’t have to carry a gunpod that reduces the flight performance a bit.
The 4S and EJ Kai would pretty much be sidegrades, and thus could easily be the same BR.
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Buuut the EJ Kai also doesn’t have Agile Eagle slats, reducing flight performance even more…
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I think the only real issue to giving the S aim-9Ls would be that the BR would have to go up and put new players in a spot where they will have zero idea on how to play(pretty much like now but throwing them up vs ARH slingers where they literally have no idea how they died)
It’s currently probably a bit lower than it should be thanks to player stats and compression so giving AIM-9Ls is just gonna Bork it.
I’d like to see the F-4J get AIM-9Ls if it’s possible, people using that thing tend to be better players then the ones using the S.
The F-4J never had them, only the F-4S, which is kind of why this topic seems to exist.
Honestly, I don’t see any problems for Navy Phantoms and British Phantoms gets AIM-9Ls especially BR was decompressed a bit in last few month ago.
They should be decent counterpart to the F-4EJ Kai, but before they get the AIM-9L, it is necessary to give them better IRAAM against some aircraft, like the F-14A/B, to move them to a higher BR.
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Brother, it’s a Phantom. You ain’t gonna win a dogfight at this br against most of the competition anyway, slats or no slats.
Idk I won a dogfight against a MiG-29 in my F-4J one time (in sim) (he crashed into the ground)
In theory the F-4J did get them (I believe some were in service as late as the mid-80s) BUT given as the F-4S is just the F-4J but better in practically every way I think they should just give them to the F-4S (and put one in the tree please)
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He mean F-4J (UK) Phantom F.3 from premium tree armed AIM-9L
For me, USN F-4J from USA tech tree in 70’s post-war vietnam (3 years after vietnam war)
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Then we definitely should lower MiG-29 br to 11.7, even if something like F-4J can beat it in a dogfight
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so true bestie
(We are comparing two phantoms that can face each other)
Probably because they were the J(S) model yes