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… Right, let’s just conveniently ignore that the real issue isn’t the F-4S itself but the serious BR compression that forces aircraft lacking PD radars and decent/good BVR missiles to fight aircraft with PD radar and decent/good BVR missiles.
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Are you sure about that?
wait until he finds about the Viggen and its radar
I do question whether that level of decompression is even possible. Something would always have to face them in an uptier and that thing probably wont be as good in at least some respects because otherwise it would be the same BR.
Much the same with Fox-3. There would never be a hard barrier between those with and without Fox-3 and in fact, many of the weak Fox-3 slingers are probably correctly BRed alongside the strongest of the Fox-1 slingers
Sure the situation can be improved, and most 12.0s shouldnt be seeing 13.0s. But at the same time. I dont think many 11.0/11.3s are actually all that hardpresed by facing an F-4 with a PDV radar in an uptier
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ja37c overpowered
It has a 13.0 pd radar at 11.3 with op missiles It wins dogfights against everything else and I keep dying to it
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wait until he finds out about the strike viggens
11.3 plane at 10.3 its op and it beats me to bombing bases
wait until he finds out about the F-1
Other than decompression the 1.0BR+/- matchmaking spread would need to be cut at the kneecaps to either a .7BR+/- spread or the .3BR+/- spread.
We have enough vehicles and enough players for it to be done. Gaijin just needs to stop being lazy about it.
As for the Fox-3s - I my honest opinion the only Fox-3s that can be left around the late SARH slingers would be the Tomcats. Let’s be real - The Phoenixes suck and the only way you’re dying to one is if you’re paying no attention or on the rare off chance, you just get unlucky. The Fakour-90 is a little more of a concern, but I don’t consider it all that much of a threat but given how it seems to have a higher frag count than the Phoenixes we could test by having it be the highest tiered Tomcat and see how it fares.
As for the last bit, keep in mind those 11.0/11.3s aren’t just facing the F-4S but other aircraft that also have PD radars and SARHs that run with the PD. It’s an encompassing issue that is larger than just one premium aircraft.
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I think most of the early AMRAAM slingers like the FA2 and viggen Di arent that big of a deal either .
But yes, I agree. in 90% of situations, the issue is only the full +1.0 uptiers. If it was reduced to 0.7. Then many “compression” issues would go away
Yeah… But I think the point still largely stands. Even if you look at the strongest SARH slinger at 12.0, the F3. There isnt a huge amount below 12.0 that cant defend against it firing from longer ranges and upclose its probably much weaker than most in WVR.
I’m not sure about that, personally. It does baffle my mind that the prem F-2A and Viggen are at 13.0BR facing Fox-3 Hell when they themselves are lacking Fox-3s. I could see them being 12.7BR currently but no higher than that. The TT versions that have access to Fox-3s that aren’t actually bad are sensibly placed where they are, imho.
Agreed. It’s really a matter of finding a way to kneecapping Gaijin enough so that they’ll actually get off their hands and get it done.
I see your argument, but I still hold that PD radars shouldn’t be fighting those who don’t have PD radars.
Well. Premium Viggen DI has 4x AMRAAM and maybe F-2A should be 0.3 lower than some, though definetly should be higher than a lot of 12.7s and this is a compression issue at play for that aircraft, but something like the Su-27 with R-27ERs vs something like an FA2 or Viggen DI? Probably actually stands a fairly good chance.
Yeah. But what aircraft do you allow to face PD in an uptier, given that a hard barrier would just be bad?
That could include things with MTI like the Mig-23s, but if played right, is something like the F-4E actually all that disadvantaged against something with PD if they can force the fight up (bar the difference in missile performance) and many ground attackers like the Tonkas and F-111 have more than enough defensive capacity to survive and punch through something with PD firing SARH at them, let alone if they ever got ECM.
So whilst a few things probably could be moved away. I think there would still have to be a large overlap and some would simply have to face the music in an uptier of fighting something with PD without PD themselves. (Especailly when you consider something like the Viggen C has a PD radar at 11.3 and Im really hoping for a BAE Hawk 200 around 11.3 at some point in the future too)
Such overlaps have always happened. Props to jets. Subsonics to supersonics. No CMs vs CMs. All-aspect vs rear-aspect, etc etc. It will always be tricky to create seperation between fundemental technological leaps
Huh? No, it has RB-99s. Last I checked those aren’t Fox-3s? As for the prem F-2A it’s basically just a higher tiered F-16 with better missiles, but not 13.0BR worthy in the game’s current state imho.
Edit; I had to go in-game and double check myself on the RB-99s and they are indeed ARH. Seems I’ve been playing the aircraft wrong, after all. I’ve been running them like standard SARH, lol.
Fair argument. I’ll grant there’s a lot of gray area in all of this but it’s important to note not just a vehicle’s performance but also the armaments and any CM capabilities they have.
We could also wrap in how these garbage maps prevent vehicles from really being able to be utilized properly but depending on the direction of the argument that could considered a stretch or goalpost move. Either way, frankly speaking the differences in technology that aircraft have should be taken into at least moderate consideration in regard to BR placement and adjustment. Though first and foremost we need an extension of the BR limit - to 15 - and to cut the matchmaking spread down.
bro actually bomb base in F-14 IRIAF NO WAY LMAOAOOAOAO
358 DEATHS AND 48 AIR KILLS
HOW
HOW
HOW
HOLY HELL HOW
RB-99s are jsut the swedish name for the Aim-120B
Yeah, map design has always been poor for air and there is certainly for decompression. Just not as much as I think some people want
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those are swedish domestic AMRAAMS
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Yes, I’m aware now after double-checking myself.
Stock tomcat is pretty miserable. 2 aim9d and 2 aim54