F-4J(UK) Phantom II. Historically Accurate Missile Loadout and Quality of Life Improvements (PART 1)

[Dzhkグ]

@HazelPam7769

Do you guys know who might be doing this spam flagging? Someone seems to be really mad at me for making these, I’m not going to point fingers, and I think I might know who it is judging from the poll up at the top.

I’m not sure, sorry man.

Maybe ask one of the mods for help?

[HazelPam7769]

Do you know any?

[Dzhkグ]

@MightyBaozi is a Forum mod, so he maybe able to help.

Also you can find a list of all the Forum mods here, if needed.
https://forum.warthunder.com/u?group=Forum%20Moderators&order=topic_count

[kingoftigertank]

Nope have no clue, had no idea anyones posts were getting flagged

[MightyBaozi]

For stuff like this please PM a Forum moderator, it’s best not to flood the thread with explanations.

[HazelPam7769]

Thanks, it’s been a pretty common problem in most of these posts. I know I haven’t been perfect either, and I’ve probably been a bit annoying at times, so I really appreciate the help. Sorry about the inconvenience.

[HazelPam7769]

There’s just one last hurdle guys: convincing Gaijin that AIM-9Ls aren’t the overpowered superweapon they seem to think they are. At this battle rating, they’d only provide a modest improvement to the aircraft’s overall effectiveness and not transform it into something overpowered.

The Tornado F.3 already carries AIM-9Ls at the same battle rating, so there’s already a precedent for it.

Planned Battle Rating Changes (August 2026)

What kind of efficiency are we talking about here? Gaijin moved the F-104s up because they were considered efficient for grinding and making Silver Lions. Is that the same reasoning here? If it is, that’s not a good justification for increasing an aircraft’s battle rating. The F-4J(UK) has struggled ever since it was added in 2022, and the FGR.2 is simply outdated at this point. In their current state, there’s very little reason for anyone to play them. So far, I’ve only come across one person…

[Stockholm_Blend]

@HazelPam7769

The Tornado F.3 already carries AIM-9Ls at the same battle rating, so there’s already a precedent for it.

You just forgot that Tornado F.3 are having infamous for turning even worse than Phantoms, even though it is 4th gen.

[HazelPam7769]

The aircraft that replaced the Phantoms will end up sitting at a lower BR than the FGR.2, that’s only if the AIM-9Ls and other missiles are added.

Being on the forums since June has accomplished absolutely nothing. If anything, it’s only reinforced my belief that Gaijin doesn’t care about Britain or even fixing relatively simple issues, like the Challenger DS.

[Morvran]

@HazelPam7769

Gaijin doesn’t care about Britain

Congratulations, you are learning

Let me introduce you to Britain Tax:

Tornado GR1 Mk103 Engines

[tornado-alarm-1] The Tornado GR1 in-game has an extremely unusual nerf that makes absolutely no sense. It has notably weaker engines than the other 8 Tornado IDS aircraft for a reason that makes absolutely no sense. The official reason that has been given is this: So the intended reason for the GR1 to have the Mk101 engines, was to increase the differences between the GR1 and GR4, whilst simultaneously ignoring the large number of pre-existing differences. What is worse, is that this excuse …

@HazelPam7769

like the Challenger DS

Still waiting 3+ years for its 20 round ready rack.

[HazelPam7769]

Even without the ready rack, simply giving the Challenger DS and MK.3 the optional additional armour, just like the first Challenger 2 you unlock in game, would be an incredibly uncontroversial change. Most players would see it as a positive historical correction rather than a balance issue.

Even if the ready rack were added as well, you’d essentially be a slower M1 Abrams. It wouldn’t be overpowered in the slightest. It’s frustrating that simple historical improvements like this continue to be ignored. God forbid someone wants to get their money’s worth from both the premium and tech tree versions by submitting actual historical evidence for a change that would make them far more enjoyable to play.

With these changes, the Challenger DS and Mk.3 would finally be on a similar level to the Leopard 2, M1 Abrams, and T-80UD. These additions wouldn’t make them overpowered because they would simply allow them to compete properly with their counterparts.

[HazelPam7769]

You should definitely talk about the ready rack in the br changes discussion