Yes, Both nations got the IDS and had to wait 3 months for a new fighter
Germany then got the Mig-29, Britain got the Tornado F3.
Though the Tornado F3 was busted and completely unplayable when it was first added. It wasnt until the next update when they replaced the radar and fixed a number of bugs that it started to be more playable.
Then yes, Germany had to wait 1 month to get the Mig-29G after the Mig-29SMT but Britain had to wait until December for the Gripen.
I never said Germany should suffer, I know it sucks, but they were boarderline bullying any Brit asking for anything for top tier from the Canadian F-18A or New Zealand F-16 to the BAE EAP and now they are asking for the same is a tad hypocritcal. Considering Germany is guranteed to get something in Decemeber and I think the F-18 was planned sooner than that but was delayed. So they were likely only suppose to wait 3 months not 6, I think german mains could be more patient.
But that doesnt change the fact the ICE is getting a notable buff that could cause major issues in a downtier (and render even more 12.0 aircraft unplayable in any kind of uptier) but also that the ICE isnt alone. I dont think the existance of the Gripen should mean the F3 Late should suffer in the same way that the ICE is, especially considering, again, no similar buff was given in the entire year last year (F3 late for some reason had a higher BR in Sim than ARB and the only conclusion I had was so that it was always in the top bracket, felt like a nerf for the sake of a nerf)
Well im sure you get some shit takes on this forum, but as I stated previously. It’s not that the ice going down is a bad thing. It’ll likely be fine at 13.0. It’s that the f.3 late didn’t go down. I’m fine with the f.3 late going down and idk why Gaijin hasn’t moved it. If i had to make an honest guess. It’s because too few people play the thing to manipulate the player statistics to tell Gaijin there’s something wrong. The German playerbase is likely larger than the British one, or at least those choosing to play the f.3 late since they have the SAAF gripen. Where as German players are stuck with the ICE and are just getting stomped in it. As far as 12.0’s getting stomped by the ice, isn’t that how every full uptier is? 8.7-9.7 is starfighter hell you cant even fight back against without a lucky head on.
Its almost certainly down to player stats. Britain also does have a bit of a blackhole of fighters from 9.0 up. So anyone stubborn enough to grind through things like the Hunter F6 and Phantoms probably has some decent experience.
Yes, but things like the Phantom FGR2 shouldnt be facing super-sonic launched AMRAAMs, they were already DOA vs Su-27s and the sub-sonic AMRAAM slingers.
Fgr.2 should probably be 11.7 anyway since its just inferior to the 12.0 US phantoms. I mean i guess you get the spey engines, but i mean thats pretty meh compared to aim7f.
Further decompression is the better solution than moving the ICE down. I will fully agree with that. and yeah, even just comparing the FGR2 with the Torando F3, it makes no sense at all.
It isn’t the first time Germany has had to wait for no reason. The MiG-21MF, MiG-21Bis, F-4F, MiG-23MF, MiG-23MLA, MiG-29A, MiG-29G. All came months to a year after other nations got theirs. The fact that this is happening now is one thing, but that it has happened so many other times is just exhausting.
Why the Devs do this to Germany is a mystery, but at the same time, the argument can be made that Germany got 4 new aircraft and in the same time, all Britain got was upgrades for an existing one. The FGR2 was our main stay top tier aircraft for 3+ years.
So why is the ram in the american tree? or the adats in britain?
or the T90 bhishma, mig21 Bis?
the hunter F58 is a british designed, manufactured vehicle, why is it in germany? also when did anyone announce the swiss subtree will go to germany?
the big 3 dont get subtrees theyre literally twice as big as most trees.
why is the ram now when canadian, and american going to britain too?
they opened a can of worms and consistently fail to keep any form of consistency with what vehicle goes where in the TTs.
Oh look the grant 1, premium for USA unobtainable event vehilce for britain.
the nation what actually used it.
and again, the Tams if anything should go to italy due to them getting spanish tech and south american tech in the brazilian AMX? no?
Adats probably shouldnt be in the british tree. India is a subtree for UK so they get indian stuff.
Swiss hunter went to germany to fill a gap in the tree and swiss are becoming a sub for germany. I believe Gszabi99’s leaks as he’s never been wrong before. You wanna call him a liar? The Grant is based on a US tank chassis and should probably have gone in the U.S. to begin with. Just like the skink should have probably gone to both trees to begin with. The tams are modified marders, they belong in the german tree if anywhere. Theres a reason the brazilian amx went to italy and the tam’s went to germany.
yeah but the mig21 MF and BIS were at a lower BR than the FGR2 for a long time, the FGR as well had to content with MIG29’s. and F16s, was an absolutely ball ache.
Now ? its got to contend with , F16s, F15s, Gripens. mirage 2ks, F14s, Mig29s, Su27s, J11s, etc etc, these jets overall are completely useless, and the F4F ice is going down is not what is needed at all.
Germany getting a competant top tier air craft IS, what is needed. an F18 would certainly be a lot better than an F4F
India isnt a subtree for the UK where did you pull that from,
the Vijayanta was one british tank used by india, (vickers MK1 modified) then the rest are literally russian designed and indian used, so why arent they in the russian tree like the M1A1 AIM is in the american tree, and the LEO2a4M can is in the german tree.
Swiss hunter was filling what gap at 9.7 as a squadron vehicle? and id be genuinely surprised if they announce switzerland to go to germany as germany already is large enough while trees like japan, and isreal are half empty. ive no idea who he is, and why youre trying to tell me to call him a liar.
yet here we are, british made equipment goes to germany, while russian made equipment goes to india, yet the TAM goes to germany, used by argentinians.
the reason the AMX went to italy is cause Gaijin is just cramming more n more shit into the game and not fleshing any of it out, does this mean we get spain as an italian sub tree? they have the VRCC after all and spain did design a few indegenious tanks.
or does that mean britian ill get filled with “indian” tanks ?
Id rather see stuff we have fixed
Considering ADATS was added 3 years before the T-90. I think there was hope Canada would be a mini extra sub-TT back then. It also wasnt the first canadian vehicle added
So I dont think that stance really works. Though I do fear we’ll get a C&P Pantsir before something like the Sky Sabre.
Maybe…I think they had other options as well, but its frustrating that not only has Britain not gotten another hunter, like maybe the one from Oman, that has CMs but the Hunters we do have are in a pretty sorry state and are the weakest hunters in game
they could of added the PP16 xD they just added that now
rather than give literally the single best hunter in game to germany while britains objectively worse F6 sits at the same damn BR
I personally dont want the leo2 or abrams its not the fact of getting them.
its the damn hypocrisy with it all.