F-22 Raptor

So there is a possibility of 1.8 at 60,000?

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It’s not, found the source. This is presumably without drop tanks
https://www.eurojet.de/aircraft/

Nah, I wouldn’t think so. Max supercruise speed should be around 1.75ish at 40-50 thousand feet, any higher and the engines don’t produce enough thrust on military power to get to 1.8. I don’t think I’ve ever seen 1.8 from an official source, highest I’ve seen is 1.7 +. Ofc atp it can engage afterburners and reach its Mach 2.0 temperature limit but that’s not supercruising atp.

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except every other source gives 1.5 as clean

and if it was 1.5 with missiles you would expect to see sources showing a higher speed clean

Do any other primary source state the Loadout of the Aircraft? All the ones I know of simply say Mach 1.5 without specifying if that clean or not. This is the Engine manufacturer saying that it reaches the number with missiles

2.0? I thought it was 2.25

Time for the docs drop. Jk

yeah you’re probably right. Confused mach 2 with mach 2 class, could mean anything closer to mach 2 than 2.5

given how the USAF tends to present speeds, could be anywhere up to like 2.8 or 2.9 (and maybe even those if they feel like understating it)

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i doubt it. Su-57 for example has a top speed of 2500 kph (around mach 2.3!), but is limited to mach 2 operationally due to aerodynamic heating warping the coating.
Maybe if the f-22 didn’t have stealth coating it would go that fast, but with it on? Doubt it.

true, but that doesnt necessarily mean how it will be implemented in game

as there is a certain plane whos manufacturer says can go up to Mach 1.8 IRL but easily passes Mach 2 in game, so I could very much see them implementing F22 with a 2.5+ top speed

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lmao true.
I would presume that if no stealth coating, f-22 would probably be the fastest 5th gen in the game, until su-57m1 actually starts to exist (if it ever will)

who knows, maybe they will PW-229 the F119 with all the F-22 upgrades happening

Dont they just continue to slap it on as the coating may get eroded if high speed takes place during a fly out or normal flight whatever? Atleast i keep hearing them doing that, and makes sense.

iirc they have upped its thrust already

and the official numbers are definitely low balled given that they give the engines a worst thrust to weight than the F100-100s used by the early F15s

either the engines wieght is overstated or its thrust is way understated