If you want details you can read it on you own in the su57 forum. I am sure there is more interesting info then i can explain.
As this is the f22 topic, i will respect that and will talking only about the f22 and su57 differences and not only the su57.
Thought this was Raptor thread, turns out i dived into international conversation that somehow ended up in F-22 thread, weird times.
I recommend you don’t talk to him, he’s the half brother of Tiger_tank
Specifically asking about flight performance here, not its radar or weapons or stealth.
Would it be the fastest climbing and accelerating jet (better than the eurocanards)?
Would it be able to hold its own in duels with such jets, and if anyone has them, could you share reliable data on its turn rate etc?
1.27 TTWR (my calculations, 50% fuel, full air to air loadout, did nto consider installation loss for the engines so maybe a bit lower then 1.27 but still i believe it would be above 1.2)
22 STR and 37 ITR (british trails)
I believe Kizvy had posted it above, so let me quote it
Most likely due to high TTWR
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My calculations
You come to the WT Forums and expect threads to be on topic?
thats life
F-22 is a cold war fighter change my mind.
It’s a cold war fighter in the same way the IS-4 is a WW2 tank. Built and tested after the conflict ended but based off of the technology being developed during the active conflict.
Does F-22 have LWS?
The F22 has engaged in mock dogfights with the Eurofighter before. When people point out that the F22 lost, they leave out that it won more than it lost and that is with drop tanks to limit maneuverability and starting from the defensive. An F22 not fighting with drop tanks and from the defensive will be incredibly hard to defeat.
If the US officials lied in the first place that the F-22 didn’t lose at all, then they are not trustworthy when they then claim that the F-22 “won more than it lost”.
Dassault Rafale: The Fighter Jet That “Shot Down” an F-22 Raptor - The National Interest
Didn’t happen.
if they lied twice then why wouldnt the french disprove them again?
That’s the wrong question to ask. You don’t place more burden of proof on the person who initially proved themselves right the first time. The right question is, if the USAF lied the first time, why haven’t they released evidence for the second claim before anyone takes them seriously again?
did USAF actually say any never got shot down or was the question if the F-22 lost against the Rafale?
The question was if the F-22 lost against the Rafale during that specific set of exercises which the USAF denied it ever losing which rightfully calls into question any other USAF claims about that specific set of exercises.
there’s also the fact that the released video has a few very sketchy things
including seeming like the fight was called off before the “kill”
so its very possible that they weren’t lying, and said it didnt lose, because that fight was called off without a kill being made
Except dang near the whole video the Rafale was on the F-22’s butt and both were constantly maneuvering before any such thing about the fight being called off would have occurred, multiple times there were chances for what I’d call a “kill”.
there were not, unless you are considering HOBs missiles, and considering those, the rafale was likely also in the engagement envelope of a 9x from the raptor for most of the fight (we have seen similar or closer over the shoulder shots)
this is only true after the F22 pilot called out that they lost sight of the rafale, to which the rafale pilot does not seem to give a standard reply
again not consistantly, after F22 pilot lost sight there was a long period of time where they were not maneuvering very effectively
you also need to consider that the fight was likely called off due to the rafale losing too much altitude and violating the floor, given the altitude visible on the HUD, so there is a good chance it was considered a win for the F22
