Let me remind you there are planes with 4 9M’s at 11.7.
The new F-5E just got 2 P4’s and 2 Python 3’s (4 All aspect IR"s at 11.3).
The M2K CS5 has had 2 magic 2’s and a great airframe at 11.7 for a while now.
I really don’t get why having 9L’s at 11.7 is such a big problem.
and if its really THAT big of a deal. just give it 6 P4’s and let it be 11.7. Because the F 20 is simply inferior to most jets at 12.0
The F-14 out rate’s the F-20 by the way…
AIM-7F and AIM-7M are identical in game
Ok, that doesn’t change what I said. It is still a close in fighter.
Well then, I have no clue how I missed that after spading all the planes that use both in the US tree. So just a different seeker and low altitude performance or are they exactly the same?
IRL The 7F had conical scan seeker which is worse and the 7M had a inverse monopulse seeker which is better
But in warthunder all SARHs are treated as if they have inverse monopulse so in game their no difference between the 7F and 7M
Interesting, learning this is somewhat of a letdown though. Makes me want to grind Russia a bit harder to get their SARH missiles. Thanks for the info.
Whats the good of a close in fighter if it loses close in fights to the missile busses of its tier?
Yes its considered a “close in”, but that doesn’t really change anything.
Maybe because a slightly worst F-16 still has no business seeing 10.7s and at 11.7 it will see a good amount of downtiers.
Also, isn’t it 6 AIM-9Ls?
yeah its 6 9’s, i updated the mistake i made a bit ago but it might’ve not refreshed for you.
And yes, 10.7’s would get rolled in most cases, though there’s planes that do that already.
(the harriers with 9m’s facing 10.7s,
or say the M2K with Magic 2’s and literal Cheat flight performance in comparison to planes of 10.7 )
It honestly might call for a BR decompress yet again in the 11.0 area.
Because while the F-20 fighting 10.7’s isn’t fair, Neither is the F-20 fighting flankers, to which it quite literally cannot detect tracks or locks of its radar at most ranges. Or grippens with every conceivable advantage, (Limitless flares in comparison, better thrust, AOA, turn, missiles etc.)
Its also funny how he claims R-60M is superior to AIM-9L despite flying exactly two planes that have them - both being Su25s.
Only other platform he played with base R-60 is Yak-38.
That will be addressed when Gaijin removes all Northern Hemisphere servers and move them all to Singaapore, Perth, Buenos Aires and Auckland
The servers could as well be in your room and you would still suck.
Imagine playing R-60M on two frogfoots and then unironically call them better than AIM-9Ls.
That doesn’t mean kinematically better though
You mean overtiered Harriers? Never thought i see the day where people complain about those jets.
And? All those missiles can easily flareable. İts A 10.7 airframe at 11.3 because of its missiles.
F-14B sits at 12.0 while having more missiles,more counter measures,Fox-3 missiles.
F-15A sits at 12.3 while having amazing flight performance,tons of countermeasures with 8 missiles but i dont see any complaints from you.
Cause its much better then most of the 11.7, not to mention it will absolutely club anything if it sees downtiers.
Just because you cant perform at 12.0 doesnt F-20 should lower to 11.7
GR7 and AV8B+
Which both of them are subsonic, loses all their energy in single turn and basically becomes food for any supersonic jet pilot that has brain.
Those things are overtiered because of those missiles.
Yeah only 11.7 due to the missiles but is still my favourite CAS plane
I can already tell you haven’t played either plane in this case, Kurnass 2000 is literally just an F4E with python 3s, and the Ja37D (Viggen D) is just a viggen with extra flares and aim 9Ls. Their performance is no where near close to the F-20.
Also both planes practically don’t even have adequate radar missiles (Kurnass 2000 doesn’t even have sparrows, and viggen gets the not so good skyflash), meanwhile the F-20 can carry 2 Aim 7Fs + 2 aim 9Ls, or 1 Aim 7F + 4 aim 9Ls.
To even suggest that the F-20 should go down in BR is just insane at this point.
Yeah both planes are in a precarious state due to having Aim 9Ms, practically aim-9Ms vs 10.7-11.7br is practically unfair, however you can’t raise the br of the harriers as they would easily get clubbed.
Honestly, the harriers should lose their aim9Ms and drop down to 11.0br with aim 9Ls.