Gross misrepresentation of their weapons and capability
How many times have I had to debunk the “give F-20 its AMRAAMs” statement at this point…
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If the F1 only had Magic 1s, it’d be 11.0 lmfao
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In regard to this, AIM7F is significantly better kinetically so not very comparable. Also manoeuvrability and radar goes in favour of F20, so over all it is significantly better, maybe not by 0.7, by compression is common place RN in this BR range.
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AIM-7F for 12,7 is comparable with 530F at 12.0. Just don’t play them.
You do not know what you are talking about.
F-20 is more compareable to Mirage 2000 in game than it is to Mirage F.1.
F-20 likely should be at the same BR as M2K which was just moved to 12.7.
Compared to F-16A at 12.3 F-20 is superior on average due to it’s AIM-7F’s.
In a duel F-16A would win in the long run but that has little to nothing to do with ARB.
I wish it did have AIM-120 since it would have received them had it entered service.
ER/ET on MiG-29 and SU-27 show that it would not be out of the question.
YAK-141 and F-16AJ underscore the point.
In it’s current state F-20 is a disappointment.
Being a premium it is fine that it is a bit worse than F-16MLU.
Being a AIM-120 equipped event vehicle would have suited it much better however.
You know what’s even more laughable F4s at the Same battle rating the last time an F4 Flew in the United States military was in Vietnam, but yet it goes against platforms that replaced it makes no sense 4 vs 14, F14 wins every time regardless of the pilot, this isn’t top gun Maverick
Yeah no, the production standard we have in-game wouldn’t have gotten AMRAAMs. That would’ve been the F-20 based on prototype 4 and beyond. Protos 2 and 3 were more or less limited to the weapons we see in-game, with the exception of the AIM-9L (which they never test-fired). AMRAAM wasn’t even around for integration during the program’s testing phase lol, as the US military were doing their own tests with it.
As is the case for other aircraft we have in game.
Adding it with AIM-120 would have been reasonable and reflects what would have happened in reality had the jet entered service.
Prototype 4 and beyond were never produced/built, and are not in-game. The F-20 we have is outright proto 2/3, not exactly production standard (based on the fact it lacks an arrestor hook). Proto 2 only ever did captive flight testing/ground display with ANRAAM, and it wasn’t intended for integration (due to “production standard” shifting to the then in-progress proto 4).
As I said multiple aircraft we have in game are setting a precedent.
I understand your point but would have liked to see F-20 with good potential sicne it is such an iconic jet.
And I just stated that the F-20 we have in-game is prototype 2/3, neither of which had AMRAAM integrated nor planned.
If you wanted an F-20 at its “full potential”, you’d be looking at basically a paper vehicle (prototype 4/third production standard). The one we currently have is the best it can be.
Do you realize that those missiles are as easy to counter as the 10.0 sarh missiles, a single chaff and they are done, most of the times they are just dead weight.
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You keep ignoring what I say.
No, I am fully acknowledging what you are saying, but refuting it since the F-20 we have in-game was never capable of using AMRAAM. You mention “precedents” for other aircraft, but the Tigershark itself is a unique case (in that prototypes 2 and 3 were fully armed and tested weaponry, as well as nearly the full avionics suite).
Also, I wouldn’t say these other jets “set a precedent”, since there isn’t really a precedent with Gaijin and prototype aircraft. They add things how they see fit, and that’s typically final (unless you bug report something with proper evidence).
I do fully agree with you on the thought that the Tigershark should’ve been an event aircraft (though not for AMRAAM, I just would’ve preferred an event outright themed around it with decals, title, skins, etc).
Then likeley the best option would be a F-20 ‘‘late’’ further down the line reflecting what it would have become had it entered service anywhere.
The 4th prototype and second production standard F-20s never flew. Proto 4 wasn’t even completed. There literally is no better F-20 that we could get.
I hate to break this to you, but if you want a better F-20, you have the F-16A-10, F-16A-15 ADF, and F/A-18A.
Here we are at the point again where you ignore what I said. Or you did not quite catch the meaning.
We have various aircraft and loadouts in game that have nothing to with any service standards. Some never even went beyond prototype stage.
When I’m talking about a ideal F-20 as an event vehicle I’m refering to a advertised configuration that sadly no one adopted.
Alright, this is the last time I’m gonna say anything on this, because it’s you who’s not listening to what I’ve been implying/outright saying.
There is no precedent for prototype aircraft. If anything, the AJ and R2Y2s were all exceptions to the rule, hence the R2Y2s being replaced (and frankly the AJ should’ve been replaced by three different Thai F-16As + other SEA F-16Cs).
With Tigershark 4, the airframe was never finished, and hence never flown. There is no flight test data for it, let alone factual information on how the radar would’ve performed (as it never was test-flown). The uprated engine, to my knowledge, did not exist.
At least with the F-16AJ, IRL it would’ve been a slightly modified F-16A Block 1/5/10, so the flight data for that would’ve been the same. With the Yak-141, the airframe actually flew, and the systems actually existed.
There is quite literally no way to know how Tigershark 4 would’ve accurately performed, since the wing and LERX mods (combined with the uprated engine) changed its performance quite drastically. Simply put, there is genuinely no way to have the second production standard F-20/Proto 4 in-game and be properly accurate.