The Tech tree F-18A at 12.3 is an absolute joke. It has insanely good flight performance for the battle rating, from how I’ve tried it it feels comparable to the F15A and F16C. The radar missile set it gets is more than capable enough for a 12.7 or 13.0 BR, and what I want to point out is that the F18A is the same battle rating as the Kurnass 2000, which gets at most 6 Python 3 IR missiles, F-4E flight performance and no radar missiles. It is clear that the premium F-18 will dominate downtiers and even be a very capable jet in 13.3 matches.
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12.7 definetly seemed like the ideal BR for it
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Yep, strictly better than the F-16A that’s already recently put there yet the F-16A was controversial for being too powerful for 12.3… gaijin is just cashing in on USA mains rushing these and buying the prem so they can put them at their correct BRs of 12.7 and 13.0 three months from now
Wait until somebody tries to defend it by replying to my post with “but its slower!!1111!” ignoring the fact the F-18A is essentially a sidegrade to the F-16ADF at 12.7
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İt’s American, what did you guys expect? İf it was Russian it’d be Dead on arrival and garbage
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“best arh” is always funny to hear about ppl describing r-77-1, you can tell they never actually tested it
its also funny to pose the su-30 as one of the best when it doesn’t even beat the f-15e overall, which was the meta 2 patches ago
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wrong aım120 is still better except close range turnıng AİM120 keeps speed better if the target moves while missile is on course but R77 is like a tiny tiny bit better if the target flies straight
useless in AİR RB
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Russia got the aircraft with the most amount of missiles, along the best ARH and the best AGM, they’re well fed to be complaining like that.
Excuse me, now i gotta test a 14x missile-capable platform to state what’s obvious through its stats. It has the most amount of missiles, with a better missile than the R-77 that now is arguably on par if not better than the 120.
So your argument is that if the F-15E was meta for two months, then it deserves to be not only overshadowed, but also the ones that overshadowed the F-15E (EF/RFL). Shady.
Actually you stated the R-77-1 to be the best ARH, meaning you think it’s better than the amraam, which just isn’t true. It has a tiny bit more theoretical range if the target flies perfectly straight towards it, but the R-77-1 still doesnt have dynamic drag modeled on the gridfins so it still loses anytime the target does anything at all with their aircraft… like… try to notch…
Neat! You ever think there are diminishing returns to this? No?
Yeah just you thinking that bud
I never said anything close to this, you ok bud?
What?
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No, it is still capable to pull M1.4+ on the deck while completely loaded, that is not a diminishing return.
Even if you think the R-77-1 is so anemic on drag and raw performance, the R-27ER is still faster than the 120, and you can completely crank now with the Su-30s radar, no need to even use IOG while fighting.
You never say things, mr Italy Suffers, yet you always manage to reshape your rhetoric when its convenient.
Incredibly OP in ground RB, as russia also has the best SPAA
Can the AIM-120 do 50G turns? Does the AIM-120 have TVC? Russia, france and china are the only nations with access to 35G+ missiles.
So? What’s your point with this? I’m eager to read the compromises the Su-30 supposedly have.
Because if you compare it to the F-18C and F/A-18C late, it basically has less downsides.
R77-1 is better in an extremely short range circle around your jet, usually doing high off bore sight attacks. It’s very niche because of this. Beyond say, 5km and inside a cone of like 25 degrees, the amraam is going to also get the kill but without burning half of its energy pool by doing one turn. MICA overshadows R77-1 heavily in this short range niche, R-77-1 basically trading being worse at this short range high off bore sight niche but gaining some range over the MICA so it isn’t so trash at medium range (but still can’t do long range if the enemy is doing literally anything to avoid it…)
R-77-1 is good, but not amraam good…
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All the Su-30 does is provide you a one circle funni jet that has better R-77s than the previous soviet jets, but actually loses FM regarding anything beyond stallfighting… its both the heaviest flanker in game as well having the weakest engines on a flanker in game…
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Why on earth would you do close fights at 14.0.
The game has been singlehandedly modeled to be a NEZ within 3-7km depending of which missile you’re using. Having 14 damn missiles are surely enough to obliterate anything that gets close enough to avoid your so feared fights the Su-30 will supposedly lose.
It really becomes tiring to argue against the classic Russian victimism relying on generic Gaijin’s mistreat like ‘muh missile isn’t well modeled’ when basically every other missile got gimped because of that.
Arent the MICA and R77 the same in overload? 50G TVC ARH misssiles. Anyway how I see the R-77-1 is a MICA with more range
Another point I would like to make is the Su30SM carries 12 of them.
Then why are you playing the Su-30 my guy? It’s the gimmick it’s built for.
I get dogfights all the time at higher BRs, I just isolate people or wait for late game… it’s not difficult
What? Missiles are not I win buttons when fired and you don’t get 14 kills a match just because you have 14 missiles, what kind of logic is this? If a guy approaches me while multipathing it doesn’t matter if I have 1 R-77-1 or thirty five, he’s invulnerable in that state until we merge, same if he stays in a notch…
I am not even saying the aircraft is bad! just that it isn’t meta, nor was it expected to be! its a sidegrade to what already exists in everyway except it has r-77-1s over the su-27sm… which aren’t the best missiles
Please get over yourself. Read my name. Sound it out slowly. Get it yet?
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- R-77 isn’t TVC
- Overload isn’t the only thing that determines missiles, not having TVC while the other missile does will do a lot…
It’s more like how I described above
There are large diminishing returns to having more and more missiles, especially when they reduce the FM by having them. It’s not like your competition having 8-10 missiles are somehow suffering “only” having 8-10