Buddy, no one here has ANY idea what you’re talking about. What I said was straight forward. F-16A trash, F-4J/S good.
Which is utter nonsense.
ill add my two cents on the issue, since I decided to try the current mark of distinction with F-16A.
F-16A has insane airframe. Even stock is fast for its BR, and extremely manueverable. Ive mogged Hornets in dogfight. Setting up gun kills is extremely easy and Im usually unable to hit the broad side of the barn when it comes to gunnery with jets above 8.7.
However what I feel is the main issue with F-16A is lack of presence in match.
In the initial missile joust, it does nothing.
In the furball, where everyone is flaring like the flares are free, it has little presence with missiles.
Its only after the furball dies down when it can easily take out lone enemies and straight up prison shank them. but even then it has to compete with friendlies that have radar missiles.
Dunno, maybe its me just not figuring out how to approach the AO yet, but its mixed bag.
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MiG-23MLD?
even with a F-4J uptiered you feel like you have more impact
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This is true, but you can’t solve it by downtiering it to where it’s just a better vehicle than everything else, which is what OP wants.
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I never even suggested that; in fact now Im even more convinced that 12.3 is as low as it can go. Even before trying out F-16A, from my experience facing it (i even stopped playing MiG-21Bis for a while back when F-16 was top dog) I couldnt see it below 12.3; moreso now that Ive tried it in actual battle for myself.
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its a hard plane to balance, maybe even impossible. dogs on stuff more than 0.3 below it and gets stomped by half the planes at 12.3 and nearly everything above it
It’s important to read the full post people type out
Im not that good in regards to ARB to suggest a fix. Maybe give it 9Ms and shove it to 13.0 (or 12.7 seeing as OCU seems to be the new standard lol). I could see it performing well in mode without markers. But honestly I dont know.
i wouldnt mind that. .3 up is worth the IRCCM
you dont need to notch sparrows
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oh ive read it but the
confused me, i thought that the implication is that i agree with OP. My bad.
impeccable achievment
considering how I usually fly?
F-16A should lowered to 11.7 (Would be the best) or minimum to 12.0 (Still bad but it could breath better)
F16A should be lowered to WHAT!?!?
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Its easy to fix.
Decompression.
If the strongest thing it faced in a full uptier was the F-18A, Mig-29G, F-14A (and other really weak ARH slingers) etc etc. it would be fine. The issue is, at 12.3, you constantly get dragged up against the Su-33, Su-30 premiums, etc etc. And probably a fair few similar aircraft but with IRCCM. Of course you will be outclassed, those aircraft you shouldnt even be able to see let alone be fighting against 90% of the time
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It sounds like you’re just overspeeding or have terrible crew.
You shouldn’t merge at more than 900-1000 kph in F-16s.
You also should have at least an expert crew with maxed out G-tolerance and stamina skills on every 4th gen fighter.
You also have 6 AIM-9Ls and can gun people down as a 3rd party or intercept them.
Do you mean to tell me that F-4J is better than an F-16?
F-16A ADF was basically what you’re asking for here, but with a worse flight model and it was 12.7.
Learning how to dogfight and play in general.
Learn rate fighting, how to read EM diagrams and what do they mean for gameplay.
You can view EM diagrams of how each plane actually performs in the game (often not accurate to real life) here: StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics
i disagree while i dont think it should be lower i do think the F16A should get AIM7 as its not that crazy of 12.3 9Ls while good missiles still get one flared on full burner and prototypes of the F16A have AIM-7 so im confused why it doesnt have them
id say BISON or F/A-18A are way better 12.3s
not that theres many 12.3s but i rate it as one of the worst 12.3s just cause you mostly have rely the enemy either be oblivious or use your gun when they can just launch a sparrow at you easily
and wait till you face 13.3 fox-3 monsters
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Physically impossible to be used with F16A. Next suggestion?