F-15EX ESM Ignored

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Even while being accepted in DEV, the F-15EX is STILL missing its integrated ESM capabilities in the Live Server…

The JAS-39E, Tornado IDS SLE, F-16CM PoBIT, and Rafale are all missing their respective integrated ESM capabilities, with every single one having an accepted report forwarded to the developers.

Hell, the JAS-39E report is already four months old, and there’s still no visible progress.

Meanwhile, Russian and Chinese aircraft have access to practically instantaneous ESM scanning, supplemented by Kh-31 anti-radiation missiles with 200 km+ reach, extremely high speeds, and seemingly endless energy retention. NATO aircraft, on the other hand, are stuck with the incredibly sluggish and limited ESM implementation associated with the AGM-88.

How is this remotely consistent, let alone balanced?

These are documented functions of electronic warfare systems already installed on these aircraft, WHICH IS MORE THAN THAT of what is documented of systems like L-150. Players have provided official documentation, submitted detailed reports, and had those reports accepted. Literally what more are we expected to do here?

Maybe there’s some technical issue with having the AGM-88’s existing ESM functionality and a separate aircraft-integrated ESM system operating simultaneously. If that’s the case, fine, but that needs to be communicated and actually addressed , rather than leaving accepted reports sitting for months without any explanation.

As it stands, it genuinely feels like Gaijin is simply ignoring these reports. NATO aircraft are arguably the ones most in need of capable integrated ESM, particularly when facing the Pantsir-SM-SV, one of the most capable SPAA systems in the game.

The F-15EX receiving EPAWSS without its ESM is just the latest example, and frankly, I have very little confidence that these reports will result in anything at this rate.

Accepted reports, all forwarded to the developers for review:

Among a growing pile of other aircraft (NATO ofc.)

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Just to put it into perspective… It takes less than 9 seconds for a Pantsir SM-SV to launch a missile and kill you when you spawn in the air… That is less time than the ESM takes to scan its sectors…

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No one else cares ig

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everyone is asleep bro

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Speaking of ESM…

If you want to be more pissed off, you’re missing on the current bug that allows you to keep track, and launch fox1 and fox3 into enemies with the ESM mode without giving any RWR warning (the fox3 missile might go active and give warning though)

Currently, Su-39 and F-18A and F18 premium players who are abusing this are having a field day

Su-39 R-27ER gives no RWR warning - Machinery of War Discussion / Aircraft - War Thunder — official forum

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well now I know cant say what I will do with this info

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The more it gets abused, the faster it gets patched. So go to town.

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do they patch on weekends

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If we get a patch next week its not so bad considering how long they take to fix things

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Typhoon has an internal report for ESM too

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crazy stuff now I came blame dieing to r27 and aim7s on a bug instead of my skill haha still can f18E do this?

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What is ESM

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the thing that locates AA with radar and a current bug that lets it locate and help track AA missiles

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Yes, I am not 100% sure the other jets don’t ping or give RWR warnings because in a custom match they do. But I know for a fact that the Su-39 doesn’t

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Passive radar detection mode for ARMs

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RWR?
ESM is only good for getting target tracks and making sure you don’t nuke your own teams SPAA while at range, the “instantaneous” ESM of Redfor only shows off how jank the whole thing is by refusing see anything in front of it a good chunk of the time (still happens with ARM Seeker ESM).

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I think it’s because, at least for now, the ARMs seem to fly off to Narnia most of the time. I’ve had them miss SPAA at like 5k away by hundreds of meters. The model doesn’t seem to matter.

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Ohh, so that’s another bug is it? I was wondering why my ESM on the Su-s wasn’t picking up any contacts in NE, I thought it must be only looking for contacts in the band of the missiles I was carrying and I just took the wrong band or somthing.

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Its good for identifying target locations and firing off bore. If you have several friendly SPAA its almost impossible to get a lock on an enemy SPAA without locking a friendly.