They’ve not gotten grand treatment on an accuracy front for several years. ER was decent, but you could defeat it quite easily and just kick their teeth in. Especially if you had something better than a viggen (gee, I wonder which nation got something better than both the 29 and viggen, consistently, every update).
6 Likes
You can say the same thing about every missile in the game, they can all be defeated quite easily by someone who knows what he’s doing. The problem is the leap In capabilities between the 7M and the ER. One is an early radar missile, with an effective range of under 15km, while the other one rivals the AIM120.
2 Likes
F-15A and Su-27 were introduced around this time not even 1 year ago, where the Su-27 with x6 R-27ER ruled in air unless you played with a JAS39
“Decent”? Literally a Mach 6 missile vs a missile that fails half the time. We must be playing diferent games.
You mean a Gripen?
2 Likes
Good to know thanks :)
Russia have and there are many cases of it. But now they are suffering and Gaijin are creating unecessary discontent by continually adding new and improved US airframes that are superior to anything Russia have in game. We know the F/A-18C is coming next major update (it’s pretty much gauranteed) This will just push Russia, Britain (unless Britain receive the Canadian one) and France further back.
10 Aim120s on an airframe as capable as an F/A-18 is going to be nothing short of problematic.
3 Likes
You have to guide it until it goes Pitbull/turns its own radar on at 15km (I think)
You guys were truly playing a different game than everyone else every time I read that.
Quick reminder : WE HAD 100m MULTIPATHING.
NOBODY was dying from an ER unless they did a mistake that a 7M would have punished all the same. The meta was about slinging IR missile in a gigantic furball at 60 meters above the ground. All matches were like this. And in this meta, the 9M was king.
I tried doing BVR joust at the time, just to change things up. Nobody was climbing. You couldn’t even find an opponent if you tried to, because they were all low. The best way to use a F15A was actually to climb 10km and then drop 9M from above the enemy team. And it was very easy to do because everyone was zooming at sea level, never looking up.
The ER domination stayed maybe for one week before everyone figured out it was better to stay at low altitude, and people were already doing this even before the ER was added anyway.
Also if you fail your 7M launch half the time you need to learn what a good launch parameter is.
Also for the love of god, stop requesting for broken Imaging seeker missiles. We don’t need them, current IRCCM are already lethal enough.
17 Likes
Aim120 goes pitbull at 20km. Other ARH at 16km.
3 Likes
the ER domination was just a continuation of the R-24 domination on the MiG 23MLD/MLA
They were massively outclassing the F-4s with AIM7F they were facing.
2 Likes
And people were also hugging the ground so the missile was equally irrelevant.
1 Like
Uhh… This isn’t even true lol. I played the MiG-29 and Su-27, literally most of my kills are from the ER.
Also ERs are great for BVR. Like F-14s Phoenix spamming.
3 Likes
But it’s true. Multipathing was the meta. Everyone was doing it. The only plane that climbed was the F14 to drop Phoenix.
5 Likes
But its not. You’re overexaggerating.
Terrain is uneven so you cant always stay in multipath altitude. Secondly, if you’re staying at multipath altitude, you usually can’t shoot back against someone higher than you so people stay above multipath altitude until they get a missile alert. Third, the ER is extremely fast and has really good acceleration, sometimes the enemies don’t have enough time to dive down. Also the ER can just re-lock another enemy if someone is abusing multipath, its what I always do.
2 Likes
I’m not exagerating. I played Gripen A, M4000, Su27, Mig29, F15A during the Su27 patch. I played Mig23 and F16A ADF during the F16/M29 patch.
F16A was the best plane of its patch because it got 9L vs R60M.
Gripen was the best plane of its patch because it had functionally infinite flares and could just fly in circle slinging 9M at sea level. Heck the meta way to use it was to turn off the radar completely while using HMD to lock the 9M.
Also please, half the matches were in Sinai and Golan which are depressingly flat maps. Staying withing multipathing height was so freaking easy. The volcano map also has a huge flat center where everyone furballs, and same for Pyrenee mountains.
Every kill I got with the ER, I would have gotten them the same way with a 7M or R530D. When you fire at 5km range on the plane that made the mistake to get above multipathing height, it die all the same to every SARH missile. ER gets the kill quicker sure, doesn’t change the fact the plane was in the NEZ of the F16 ADF all the same lol.
8 Likes
Highly debatable. After the 9L nerfs, it was between the F-16 block 15/20 or the MiG-29s.
No argument here. The Gripen had a UFO FM with HMD. Second best I’d say is the F-16C then the Su-27.
That just sounds like you don’t know how to use the ER. I have so many clips of the ER bonking people BVR.
2 Likes
I was simply flying at sea level like everyone else was doing, so my use of the ER was limited to quick HMD + fast launch on any plane that went above 500 meters RALT. That was the meta, I followed the meta.
Pretty much the only long range kill I was getting was on F14s since they were the only planes climbing. The ER was definitely the best for that, but scoring kills on lobotomized F14 was also very easy with a Mirage 2000.
Personally I didn’t engage in the furball. I just side climbed and picked people off from above with the ER. Btw you can negate most of multipathing by shooting at a high aspect.
Like this. Target is at 40m but because the missile came from above, the multipath image lined up with the F-16.
2 Likes
I know how that work. I was using the F15J the same way to lob AAM3 from above (which is ridiculously lethal btw, 9M from 5km above are deadly), and 7M were good enough for this kind of launch too.
I didn’t like doing this with the Su27 because I hate the SPO-15 and the radar has the bad habit to strangely drop lock out of nowhere.
It was also the patch where the radar was changing lock method by itself. The Su had the horrible habit to go into IRST lock for no reason at close range.
I liked the Su-27, enough to call it 3rd best of the patch maybe 2nd best. The kit was just too good since it could carry 4 x R-73s, 2 x R-27ETs, and 4 x R-27ERs. Even if you couldn’t make use of the ERs, you still had 6 IRCCM missiles, 2 of which are extremely long range.
You are exaggerating here, everything that comes down must go up. To fire an IR missile or to engage in any type of furball you had to come up, which was where you were extremely exposed to a R27ER. The meta was about slinging IR missiles in a gigantic furball because the R27ER existed, which made any other gameplay impossible unless you were playing Russia. And even in that, the R73 reigned supreme against everyone, this was the time when Russia was the most broken it had ever been. The only plane that was able to hold up was the Gripen, due to its crazy CM count, which only worked 70% of the time.
And being able to completely lock down the airspace over 100m for the enemy team is not a good and balanced mechanic, and definitely not an irrelevant mechanic. Russia’s dominance at top-tier air created the furball meta, where Russia was the best country to play thanks to their R73’s.