Man what a weakness that is…
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I just want to emphasize that I’m not against the F-15E and F-15I receiving their historical loadouts and performance parameters, what I’m against is Gaijin choosing to add them without adding its equivalents to other nations, and also employing zero effort in deciding their current BRs (applies for top tier as a whole).
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The F-15 MSIP II was already the best missile carrier top tier jet and now we have an improved version with the insane TWR the F-15 is famous for slinging missiles from at 10’000m flying at mach 2.4
and Gaijin though yeah thats balanced.
Laughable and I can only surmise Gaijin didnt want to increase its rank or BR for fear of the in game premiums not being able to grind it effectively.
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All I keep seeing is Typhoon would be broken, Rafale is too strong, Sweden dont need the Gripen E the Gripen C is strong enough.
I’m fed up it’s time to stop messing around and restore some parity to this poo show.
But we know whats next…it’s another top tier US jet an F/A-18C that can carry 10 Aim120s…
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Next update will be F-15EX with AESA and its theoretical 16x AIM-120s.
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TWR boost over what we already have only matters in edge cases, and no where else.
Everything you can do in it you can do in F-15C MSIP II and F-15JM.
That’s why I brought them up for 14.0 as well.
F-15C, F-15JM, F-15E are all Typhoon equivalent aircraft.
Rafale is late at this point. Limited to 6 missiles, PESA, and an airframe that’s competitive with everything else.
Typhoon is late as well cause we have its equivalent the F-15C MSIP II, just not WVR.
F-18C is Su-34 equivalent, which itself is under-BR’d.
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F-15C was already added without its equivalents of Rafale and Typhoon.
Hats off to Gaijin and their paranoia of minor nations eclipsing major nations in strength. Can’t have the US premium market dry up.
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Thrust (TWR) allows you to climb to altitude and regain your speed before you come into missile range. A jet flying at 5km at mach 1.4 will be at a distinct disadvantage to a jet flying 10km at mach 2.4 when they come to a missile joust.
The energy imparted on those missiles before launch makes them far more lethal and you can just turn go cold while maintaining a speed of mach 2.4 no missile in game can hope to kill you.
F-15C MSIP II was already dominant by being higher and faster than anyone else and now this is added it just makes a mockery of balance.
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I don’t really understand how F-15E gets a pass, but at the same time people say Eurofighter or Rafale would be too much. Unless they receive more advanced IR missiles like IRIS-T or MICA-IR, they would still be worse than F-15E at everything but low speed maneouverability.
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Tranche 1 Typhoon would have similar thrust, better Radar (depending on what model it receives)
it will be superior in manouvering.
It will carry fewer weapons (4 Aim120 and 4 IR missiles Aim9M)
it’s gun has 127 ish rounds compared to the 1000 ish 20mm carried by the F-15E
Counter measures similar
All in all for gameplay 1 v 1 a Typhoon is going to have to evade up to 8 AIM-120 in the hope of landing a hit on an F-15E while the F-15E only has to defeat 4.
I think the FM is why Gaijin havent added it yet, they worry with the engine limitations it will overperform as we do not have an inherrently unstable airframes in game.
Typhoon will be the first.
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Gaijin FM have been worse and worse lately, and I think it’s only getting worse with new updates…
I don’t know how they messed up this bad when it’s known and proved the F15E is worse than the C when it comes to performance of the airframe…
Most aircraft are overperforming in game and they refuse to fix it because it would take time to do so…
Yet we have Gripen, F16, J10, F15A with overperforming engine and now a mig 31…
I won’t even talk about the su-34 it behave like it came out straight out of ace combat…
Whatever gaijin is doing we need a “Health patch” where they don’t add any vehicle expect from premium if they need to, but fix the glaring issues that are becoming utterly ridiculous…
They can remove their realism card from now on
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F-16 is also inherently unstable and so is Mirage 2000, they don’t seem to cause any problems.
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True maybe they are just sandbagging it to make sure the smaller nations are kept in their place
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Gripen and f16 are statically unstable as well, J10 should be.
And Su-27 and M2K/4M should be as well.
But somehow instead of modeling FLCS limitations, they went all out with whatever we have, canards acting like control surfaces etc
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The typhoon doesn’t really have any insane dogfight capaibility, it’s similar to what we already have ingame. Most likely gonna sit inbetween the F16 and Gripen. Not to say it’s bad, but it’s not going to be groundbreaking.
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From what I have read there are levels to this.
The F-16 was designed to be on the verge of instability (which in itself is impressive being a 70s airframe!)
The Euro Canards were designed to be inherrently unstable.
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Still none of those aircraft are statically stable, they all at some point imply relaxed stability in the process.
And wether it’s a typhoon or F16, doesn’t matter, the game engine can’t handle either
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F-15E only gets 512 rounds due to the smaller ammo container
Hold on - I always though that the AIM-120B is fire and forget and now you are trying to tell me that it is not!?
Have we forgoten the MiG-21 vs F-4C era? Or the MiG-23 vs F-4J era? Or the R-27ER vs AIM-7M era?
I dont deny that the AIM-120 meta is there or like that one nation is on top, dont get me wrong, but you cant say that russia havent got that treatment before.
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