First the F-15E should be 12.3 in Ground Realistic, and now F-15C should be 13.3 in Air Realistic.
How about this, since obviously America suffers soooooo much, how about every single American plane is unlocked at the start, fully spaded, and all are at 1.0 because the F-15E cannot survive four 7.5mm machine guns firing at the wing.
They would probably lose against biplanes as they don’t know how to dogfight and their Sidewinders wouldn’t even lock onto the props.
The F-15C could be 14.0 and be unaffected. Stop.
feel however you want, fact is that if you fly plane enough times, you know what you can and what you cant afford do against planes they can meet.
i dont need to fly 12.3 M2K to know i aint beating it in one circle with Phantom.
What is the point of this comment lol?
My comment was about 2 identical planes with very similar missiles being compared against each other.
I already spaded both the F-15C and F-15J M and I know for a fact that they fly very similar.
So? What’s that have to do with my comment?
Whole comment chain started with morvrans response about F-15C being strongest 13.7.
I assumed that your commetnt was showing disdain for people having opinion on planes they never flyed.
If thats not the case i just misunderstood.
HAHAHAHA!
Wait… you’re serious? HAHAHA!
F-15C MSIP II needs to be 14.0 as-is irrelevant of what other vehicles get.
so a jet with insuperior missiles that faces eurofighters, rafales, f18c lates and f15e should be UPTIERED when it is about to be rendered obsolete with the aim 120c, makes sense
So, you think that F-15C is 13.3 material after F-15E gets AIM-120C
While
Because nothing but you don’t want to get your favourite jet ruined?
YOU make no sense. Get a grip.
I never knew that 4 more AIM-120B and 4th-gen fuselage is [+0.3] material compared to F-4F ICE.
compare the Sea Harrier FA 2 to the F-4F ICE lol
And those are arguably undertiered and probably could be 13.3. Them, along side the F-15A and flankers should all move up to 13.3 whenever gaijin decides to decompress 13.0.
Ehhh Yes. F-4F and Tonka are undertiered vehicle, and gap between them and SHAR is big
But I think the gap between [F-15C in new 13.3] and [current F-4F/Tonka] will be bigger than that. :|
Agreed.
That also makes ‘send F-15C to 13.3!’ idea nonsense even more. XD
The F-15E is the same aircraft but heavier and worse in the turn, while being able to accelerate faster [F-4E vs F-104S].
The C5 is not the upgrade you think it is. It’s good for longer ranges, it’s good for shooting up at targets.
At closer ranges the AIM-120B is currently the same to slightly better.
You’re right, the Grippens are 13.7 with only four AIM 120As, so the F-15C should be 13.7 obviously.
Worst thing is that the F-15C isn’t even being made irrelevant. It’ll still be incredibly solid.
The Baz Meshupar however is being sent to the shadowrealm if the nerf goes live.
As 200% joke with OP’s theory
Baz Meshupar should be solid 13.0BR jet with original Baz if F-15C is 13.3 material :P
has laser + IOG atgms and the aim 120B and was the meta for how long?
It has 6 R-77s at 13.3 with a decent airframe, no matter how you sugar coat it, it is going to obliterate absolutely everything in a full downtier
13.0 has been cooked, who even plays it now.
It should never affect BR in air mode.
Do you shoot enemy plane down with brimstone?
Ohhh I can’t wait to see Tornado GR.4 becomes 13.7 because it has brimstone too. :/
COME ON YOU ALSO HAVE IT ON YOUR F-15C FFS
So, you want to obliterate absolutely everything in a full downtier with your F-15C with 8 AIM-120A/Bs with a decent airframe.
Because MiG-29SMT does?
Really?
So, you think it is completely fine to cook them even worse for nothing but your selfishness?
What an ass you are.
So it has substantially weaker A2G than the F-15E with GBU-39s and AGM-65?
Also about a week, then it was massively and excessively nerfed.
Brimmy will eventually going to get fixed
Only when Americans succeed in getting AGM-114L.
Just like Tonka FM Fix, which showed up at Su-24 update :P