me on my way to kill rafales with BOL
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Being able to chaff radar missiles at high altitude is a requirement for BVR.
Also it appears Gaijin got a correct serial number for F-15C Golden Eagle. ZZ AF 82-0019 seems to be a correct number.
F-15C already has an ample amount of countermeasures to chaff radar missiles all game long in air rb, extra BOL pylons do nothing to alleviate the fact that the eurofighter typhoon and F-15E will simply always outclass it up high and fast
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If only the F15E got the AESA instead of having to grind another F15
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I hate to break your bubble, but the last time I tested things… F-15C had the same supersonic sustained turn rate as F-15E.
Which makes sense when F-15C is 3 tons lighter.
Either way, wait for 14.7 and we’ll get F-15EX alongside more Typhoon, Rafale, J-16, and maybe Soviets have something better than Su-35 for that BR… they might not though. Soviets might have to stick with inferior aircraft until Su-57 comes in at 15.x.
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Prayers for next update 🤞
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what does turn rate have to do with the fact that the F-15E will always be higher and faster?
you have to face facts, for a plane to be 14.3 it must offer something to be competitive with other 14.3 aircraft, currently the F-15C GE offers nothing to make it competitive, it simply lags behind the rest
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Higher and faster? F-15E hasn’t been the fastest jet in the game since the first game update with it in the changelog. Drag made it both slower to accelerate than Typhoon, AND hurt its top speed significantly.
F-15C is 176 to mach 1.5. F-15E is 145 bringing a similar fuel load.
It’s not the difference you think it is, and both share 3rd and 4th fastest accelerating top jets.
Complaining about F-15C being slow when only 3 jets are faster to accelerate than it is wild.
On top of that, Rafale’s supersonic speed bleed is bad. It might be great WVR in air RB, but treat it to supersonic speeds and its flaws come out.
31 second difference in acceleration to missile firing speed is absolutely enormous, when the F-15E is firing missiles it will be higher and faster than the F-15C GE, and it’s situated at a lower BR!
the F-15C GE simply has no outstanding features, it has nothing that’s a make or break to put it at 14.3 unlike all of the other 14.3 aircraft “oh but it’s only 31s slower to Mach 1.5 than a vehicle A LOWER BR THAN IT”
your justifications are foolish nonsense, it’s totally DOA in its current state and BOLs will do nothing to save it
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@Papa_Daniel
Missile firing speed is whatever you set.
Those tests aren’t even using optimal acceleration as the tests need to be the same, so they go to 10,000 meters before leveling off to 10,600.
F-15C and F-15E time to 10,000 meters is identical at 64 seconds from seal level.
F-4E is slower than F-104S, should F-104S be 11.7?
In-fact, the difference between F-4E and F-104S is larger than the difference between F-15E and F-15C, yet they’re the same BR.
F-15C Golden Eagle is competitive. Far more competitive than Su-30SM, and even that is competitive despite it being the worst flight performance above 13.7.
Missile count doesn’t matter as much as you claim. Your goal as a team mate is to frag one player on the enemy team.
Any more than that and it’s a bonus.
“It is not who fires first that wins, but who fires last.”
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firing first while you’re higher and faster allows you to force the enemy into a defensive position that makes them more vulnerable to following missiles, this is a basic fact of BVR combat, the fact that you can’t comprehend this is very telling
the Su-30SM offers a very large kit of high performance missiles, as opposed to the F-15C GE which offers nothing over the missile kit found on the F-15C MSIP II at 13.7
so far your posts have shown no valid justification that this aircraft is warranted a 2 BR step increase, all it has shown is that you understand very little about top tier or missiles (unable to comprehend why TTI and drag are related, unable to comprehend why a plane being higher and faster is relevant for BVR combat, unable to comprehend why a larger amount of missiles can be very beneficial)
if missile load makes no difference why are you against the F-15C GE receiving more missiles?
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In actual gameplay, combat altitude is usually between 6000m and 8000m, and speed should not be the main criterion. In most cases, the F15C is the second batch to reach the combat position, which is obviously incomparable to the F15E.
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For the 120c5, above 6000 meters, higher speed makes it easier to hit the target than higher altitude, that’s why I support 14.3 for the f15e and 14.0 for the f15c ge
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@Papa_Daniel
I was forced by the enemy above me to do S maneuvers toward him in an aggressive manner to avoid being hit!
Anyway… fires back after getting closer.
Su-30SM has as much kit as the F-18C does, and the F-18C is better overall.
F-15C GE offers a superior radar, superior countermeasures, superior speed, superior agility over Su-30SM.
The F-15C GE is not the F-15EX. You cannot give F-15A/C/other older aircraft more missiles just because the F-15EX has them.
Or whatever upgrade the National Guard allegedly has, but no images have been posted of.
Your posts resort to personal attacks when I haven’t made an attack against anyone.
This is about War Thunder, not us.
Top tier air RB does not care if your aircraft is the best accelerator or dogfighter in the game.
It primarily cares about positioning, and which team sticks together.
if you just want to post nonsense you can do it yourself
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The SU35 has an upgraded fire control system and is compatible with dual R77 racks. In terms of missile racks, the two are the same.
he will shift the goalposts further without realising that a proposal to fit something if adopted into service was enough for many parts of the Yak-141
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Yes we do have that document. Thank you for posting it for everyone else to see.
However that is a vague statement that doesn’t prove the F-15C we’re getting is part of that program, which is my personal annoyance with the document. It doesn’t prove… and that’s sad.
@Papa_Daniel
Bringing up Yak-141 is a movement of goalposts fallacy, as well as a false-equivalence fallacy.
It’s not a service vehicle [this is the reason your post is dismissed].
F-15C GE is not an in service vehicle either :)
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