What if we have decompression and Rafale goes up to 14.7?
We Brits have a total of 6 AIM-120 in EFT. How many AIM-120 F-15C Golden Eagle could equip currently?
F-15C GE in its current form is a 13.7 plane, the eurofighter at least has much better flight performance to crutch its weaker missile load
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so a standard F15C?
because they already can all use CFTs, I dont understand why you are saying fitting CFTs is a “modification”
and attaching stuff to the external stations where it is designed to carry weapons and stuff absolutely is not an modification
and before you say anything about the CFTs with extra stations not going on an F15C, they can as long as they were made for an F15E with the same kind of engines
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I think it would be 14.0 at minimum because it will get AESA radar unlike the current F-15C/E or EFT does
No offence, but 13.7 takes sounds a bit wild.
I think it will not be strong 14.3 but it will not be DOA if Rafale goes up by decompressing within a month
And BOL might be fancy if you guys needs extra?
I think pushing bol will be easier than extra missile pod
AESA radar is simply a nice to have, in a real match it will be lower and slower than eurofighters and F-15Es for BVR, and then it will get dogged on by Su-30SM and Rafale for medium and closer range combat
it has only disadvantages compared to all other 14.3s in its current form
F-15s already have a quite adequate countermeasure count, so BOL isn’t a particularly enticing addition that warrants 2 BR jumps into aircraft that will just outclass it in every metric
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Boeing says they modified it, I trust them.
And no, CFTs are not a standard feature on F-15Cs… It was an optional feature, and hundreds of F-15Cs were produced without the plumbing for CFTs despite CFTs being used on other F-15Cs since the 1970s.
The only way F-15C GE is a 13.7 plane is if Su-30SM is as well, and at least Typhoon drops to 14.0.
F-15C GE is already better than Su-30SM, and can only get better with BOL pods.
IF it ever gets more missiles it’d have to be a higher BR.
F-15C GE is among the fastest jets at top BR. Being 26% faster than Su-30SM, and having a higher top speed on top of that.
Even within visual range, F-15C GE will out-perform Su-30SM outside of “one circles”.
F-15C GE is among the top 5 fastest jets at top BR.
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this is just delusional, the Su-30SM has an extreme missile load of far superior missiles to the F-15C GE, which is effectively just an F-15C MSIP II with radar QOL improvement
CFTs are also a standard feature of the F-15C MSIP II which is present ingame
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@Papa_Daniel
AIM-120C equivalent missiles aren’t “far superior”.
And F-15C MSIP II is under-BR’d as well. It’s 13.7 while most of its equals are 14.0.
F-18C has extreme missile load compared to F-15C GE as well; do you think F-18C is superior to F-15C GE?
F-15JM doesn’t have the plumbing for CFTs as an in-game example of F-15C without the hardware.
neither of your sources include quotes from boeing talking about modifications
you obviously are ignoring how your own source talks about how F15 CFTs have been used since the mid 1970s
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R-77-1s are simply superior to every AMRAAM present ingame
every 14.3 vehicle has some outsanding feature if offers over every other plane
Su-30SM has extreme missile load of incredibly potent missiles
EF-2000s have the best flight performance and MAW of any plane in the game
Rafale is well, the Rafale
F-15C GE in its current form offers no standout features above any of these, it is simply almost identical in performance to the 13.7 F-15C MSIP II
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@Papa_Daniel
F-15C GE is an extremely fast jet with an very potent radar having among the best missiles in the game.
@Alpharius11348
My post was edited to include more information on CFTs.
AMRAAMs are inferior to most other fox-3 missiles available at 14.3, the fact that you have to lie to make your false point is embarrassing for you
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@Papa_Daniel
AIM-120C5s are among the longest range of the amraams, and among the easiest to use coming from AIM-7s, R-27s, etc.
They don’t suffer bad drag profiles that you have to account for [R-77s], they aren’t thrust vectoring so you don’t have to learn the different launch parameters of thrust vectoring missiles… they’re just easy.
Of course R-77-1s are good, just can be bled of energy easier.
MICA EMs are good once you remember not to maneuver when launching so the missile applies its own vectors after launch more consistently, this was needed more so in the past before some fixes to thrust-vector spins were applied to the game.
I’ve used all the missiles, and AAM-4 is the best. AIM-120C is also good.
R-77-1 and MICA EM are also good… however when coming from conventional maneuver missiles, their quirks aren’t inherent knowledge.
AIM-120s? AAM-4s? Just fire them the same way I’ve been firing R-27s, AIM-7s, etc [this is not referring to hard locking] for the last few years and they just function.
Sometimes hard-lock the enemy for that dual-radar lock action… as long as I didn’t lose soft lock to begin with.
Sometimes I wonder if I’m really playing the same game as those who say that aim120 are the worst missiles
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I didn’t say that they were the worst, simply that they’re inferior to other top tier missiles like the MICA. R-77-1, AAM-4 and PL-12
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hitting 0.5s faster at 45km literally does not matter when amraams have such crap pull compared to most other fox 3s
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I think…
1- Is there solid proof that the majority of F-15C Golden Eagles are equipped with new rails…?
Extra missile with new rail sounds like [F-14D needs AIM-120 because F-14A tested AIM-120].
If we can get solid proof about that, I may be fine with that.
2- I still don’t think F-15C GE is 13.7 material.
AIM-120C-5 (which are allowed to 14.0+ only)
and fancy new AESA radar.
Would be 14.0 if we’re pushing her down hard, maybe even borderlining on 14.3, I guess.
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There’s no way to always have the best missile in the game all the time. Even if it’s not the best, it’s more than capable of being effective.
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a larger load of superior missiles is what makes the Su-30SM more relevant at 14.3 than the F-15C GE in the first place
AIM-120C–5 are inferior in almost every case to the AIM-120A anyway, people simply DRASTICALLY overestimate how important hitting fractions of a second faster at 40km+ matters
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what relevance does drag have other than time to impact at long range? if you aren’t able to put that simple 2 and 2 together i think your opinions on top tier missile performance cannot be considered relevant if you can’t comprehend the link there
slightly faster time to impact at long ranges is literally the only benefit of the C-5 over the 120A/B, it’s worse in all other cases
don’t understand why you’d crap away all your airspeed to dodge an AIM-7F that can be easily dodged by pulling up and rolling at the same time either, very questionable
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