It came to the game, so you don’t have to worry anymore!
Ahhh yeah. The just trust me bro, classic.
Post them then. I wonder what link of globalsecurity.org or ausworldpower.net you are gonna pull me out
If you check the links I put above you’ll see the what I used.
Ofc I know you are BSing bc you ask that despite me providing proof of what I say and not even bother reading them(which explicitly state which documents were used).
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I don’t know your listed website addresses.
About the F-15 radars I have roughly this :
F-15 ANAPG-63 RADAR CASE STUDY
F-15 Radar set:
PSP COMPUTER PROGRAM DEVELOP
Radar BIT Data
THE APG-70 RADAR SIMULATION MODEL
FINAL REPORT
AUTOMATIC TARGET CUEING
AND OPERATOR PERFORMANCE
WITH ENHANCED APG-70
SYNTHETIC APERTURE RADAR
IMAGERY
apg63v2 evaluation
Robust Design for Six Sigma Manufacturability
Chuck Kelly and Ludwig Kachatorian
Hughes Aircraft
The Phenomenal APG-63_Brochure_001
Air-to-Air Radar Modes for the CP-140Maritime Patrol Aircraft
F-15 Avionics manuals :
Nonunclear weapons delivery, F-15
Manual for F-15 with APG-70 sites, 1989
I’ll look at your sources, I’ll be glad if I don’t have something. Thank you.
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And this one, what is the ratio in range with the apg-66 for the same target size?
As I wrote, the numbers 77,80 and 60 can be next to each other just fine and everything will be fine. There’s no problem here.
Thats 1/3rd more range than what you claim and for a small RCS (2m^2)target! Its like saying SU27 radar can be downgraded to MIG 29 levels, 1/3rd more range for the same RCS target for the N001. A T I N Y point is that the the difference is 25km for the N001/N019 and for the APG 63 we are talking 20 TWENTY NAUTICAL MILES, ~37km. i would understand If we were talking about 1.3x of 10km or 15 but not of 100km or 150km. You are definitely BSing at this point.
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If a former Eagle driver tells me he had a range of 60NM on an F-15A, I have no reason not to believe him. I don’t know if we understand each other. I agree with the higher figures, but I have no problem with the lower ones either.
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Haven’t played the F-15 in a minute since my last post here. Has anything changed or been degraded?
Love the sparrow/f-15 radar update.
Nop, apg 63 is still based out of incorrect soviet info and intel coming out of his ass.
Sparrow still only guides on a CW signal and limited seeker range.
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I find it funny how we need to come up with some kind of “evidence” of the capability of the Eagle, yet one cannot see any evidence of the capability given to the SU27/Mig29/Mig23 etc… The MiG23 for instance has an in-game capability that is well…based on no facts at all. IRL it was in no way a maneuverable as it’s airframe was not capable of much G-loading. And this is from pilots who flew such aircraft for the US DoD in the ‘Red Eagle’ squadron based in Tonopah, flying as aggressors during Red Flag exercises. A USAF General was killed in one during a flight in one because he disregarded the procedures for flying the aircraft.
Still can’t get Aim7M’s to properly guide on anything in about 1 in 5 launches. They just fly off to the side and detonate. Not having TWS mode in APG63 is just Gaijin working their ‘balance’ for the game.
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They flew models with no spare parts that already were in poor shape. They were not top of the line models.
Some of these test pilots actually said some bizarre stuff that should very much discredit them entirely such as “the Gsh can fire NATO 20mm rounds”…
Dutch F-16 test pilots who flew the MiG-23MLD for example, thought it was very much capable or on par with the F-16s in many ways.
MiG-23MLAs from Libya put up quite a fierce dogfight against some F-14s unexpectedly.
The Soviet Union simply didn’t train their pilots very well for BFM at the time. They stuck to basic ground guided towards targets for intercept tactics.
Of course, in War Thunder the ‘G’ limits are not a concern as the aircraft doesn’t have to last a long time. The pilots aren’t concerned with flatspins either… so can push the wings all the way forward as well. These are advantages afforded to us only because it is a game … but not entirely impossible for real life either. On the flip side, real world F-15s weren’t flown with the 102% thrust trim as they are given in-game… The F-16 is limited to 25 degrees AoA (not 40+ like it has in-game)… And the F-14 had an operational G limit of less than 8 as well…
I hear your complaints … but they are one-sided and blind to the fact that America has the same advantages.
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To some degree, but its far less blatant, and there is also numerous little things that could be done.
Since this topic is for the F-15, I’ll be specific.
- Add additional functionality / adjust the Radar’s capabilities to be in line with MSIP I configured Airframes, as Flares are already present, also replicating modes / functionality like Super Search would be nice to have.
- AIM-95, fairly similar to the R-73 & SRAAM / Taildog (once it’s fixed)
- AN/AVG-8B (VTAS III) HMS for the F-15A, send to 12.7 alongside all of the other recent additions
- GPU-5/A x3 on CL & wing station(s)
- CBU-100 & -87, etc.
But the biggest issue with the F-15 is that it came late, it would have been a far better lead in aircraft to the Teen series than the F-14A, and with an actually introductory config (no CM, AIM-9J / -9P / -9L, AIM-7F at best) would have probably been pretty balanced, since no flares vs R-60M / R-24T doesn’t seem so bad.
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su27 and mig29 capabilities are fine
did F15 get a hidden nerf last update? I never had a wing rip in it before and today I got 2 wingrips…
Wing ripping has been a thing since the dev server.
well I never had my wings rip in f15 before, only twice today. It rips even below mach so wtf?
Your idea on spare parts is on target (as the maintainers were a cut above, without whom there wouldn’t have been ANY flying these aircraft) but no a reason they weren’t able to pull G’s. As a Crew Chief on F15’s for 19 years I’ve run in to both maintainers who worked on these aircraft and pilots who’ve flown them. I even had a Crew Chief on the MiG’s as a Mentor/Supervisor in my time in the USAF. The MiG23’s/21’s/ and 19’s they maintained were sturdy workhorses when they got them working, getting them working was constant work with the scarcity of parts. Some Pilots tend to say a lot of things that us maintainers can just discount out of hand because we know the aircraft down to the nuts and bolts and we also know that “Some Pilots” also don’t want to admit that they really don’t know the aircraft as well as we do. The Gsh could fire NATO 20mm rounds after a couple of modifications…ok. But the Dutch F16 test pilots saying that the MIG23 was on par with the F16 in many ways sounds a lot like a mis-quote to me as NO PILOT AT ALL that I’ve talked to would call the MiG23 anywhere near a match for ANY F16.
With the MiG-23MLA’s from Libya putting up a fierce dogfight…are you talking about the Gulf of Sidra Incident? If so, I (and any USN fighter pilot as well) would not call that a “fierce dogfight” at all. A fierce dogfight would be some high-aspect ACM including a head-on merge and a lot of G-pulling afterward. Those 2 MiG-23’s in the Gulf of Sidra Incident were basically just run down by the Tomcats.
True, the USSR didn’t train their pilots for BFM and tended to rely on GCI.
I would agree that we don’t need to have IRL G limitations on airframes, much the way the F15 in game seems to when it rips its wings in subsonic flight. If the F-15 rips its wings then the rest of the aircraft should as well…but I know that in game my MiG23ML doesn’t rip wings when it should. Nor any of the other Soviet aircraft will the way the Eagle does…as well as the premium Israeli A-4 does at the drop of a hat!! Jeebus…that THING! I also notice that I can have a SARH R-24 come off the rails and it guides at least 90% of the time while the Aim-7m’s don’t guide 4 out of 5 times they come off the rails.
Great book to read: “Americas Secret MiG Squadron, The Red Eagles of Project Constant Peg” by Gaillard R Peck, Jr.
(What a name, see Johnny Cash’s ‘A Man Named Sue’)
“Dutch pilot Leon van Maurer, who had more than 1,200 hours flying F-16s, flew against MiG-23MLs from air bases in Germany and the U.S. as part of NATO’s aerial mock combat training with Soviet equipment. He concluded the MiG-23ML was superior in the vertical to early F-16 variants, just slightly inferior to the F-16A in the horizontal, and had superior BVR capability”
According to airwar.ru
It’s true, the MiG-23 has BVR armament with proper look-down shoot-down capability. In the 80s it received improvements to maneuvering over the models he discussed and even equipped with the R-73. It would have been properly lethal if used adequately. The hit and hide tactics in particular would have been optimal against better US 4th gen fighters and that’s exactly how MiG-23s took out F-14s.
The ML wings rip almost exactly at 1.5x normal safe G limits as outlined in the MiG-23ML manual.
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So the main problem is F-15 has no limit when it comes to pulling G’s which can simply be avoided by restricting the pull capabilites.
İnteresting tho i never ripped my Wings once despite my best efforts.
There is potentially the issue of Gaijin applying the same “overload limit increasing with decrease in fuel weight” thing they got going on for all planes.
The manual isn’t specific, so the developers chose the nominal rip G forces being for full fuel or gross weight or something.