Calm down boys, let’s not initiate ww3…
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Because I said “the static thrust in the gripen is higher”, and you said “no, you’re reading MTOW instead of full fuel”.
More projection.
Yeah the Aim7M can totally be buffed. Check this link out.
Raytheon AIM/RIM-7 Sparrow (designation-systems.net)
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Sorry did not mean to erase my post, my internet connection is spotty and i couldnt undelete. I can recreate it if its important to you. The modeling of lofting and general trajectory shaping of the 7m has been long discussed, is there no dev response or has no report been made yet?
By IG you dont mean instagram right?
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I made a bug report on it some time ago but there is no good data for how it should optimize the trajectory. It is known that it can loft, limit overload, etc but not info about specifics as to how much.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/qXZgF5fLYEAe
I guess the modeling of monopulse and inverse seekerheads could also help the f15. Though eliminating multipath for some may be too drastic.
would make it not a copy paste aim7f
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Anyway, the current state of the Sparrow is due to balance (at the moment) not because of any lack of information. Therefore, I do not believe a technical report that can be made.
The developer indicated he is already fully aware of what sparrows can do & not do.
That sparrows do not have a propensity to magically explode upon signal loss and older sparrows will maintain their last control fin input until a signal is reestablished. That was originally modelled in-game and proved too powerful at the time and ever since Aim7 control fins return to neutral position when signal is dropped and a very short amount of time to reacquire a target track has remained.
The meta has changed and 6xR27ER platforms exist. The Aim7M does not just hold same course when CW signal is dropped from host aircraft. The Aim7M will actually fly the best course calculated based on last known target track or midcourse update. Thanks to its digital computer with autopilot capability.
@k_stepanovich indicated it is currently all based on balance, which I agree.
However, I believe at least either an extension of time to reacquire a target track is called for and leave the neutral fin reset for balance.
Or
Model the Aim7M to fly optimal routes regardless is CW illumination is lost. The Aim7M would only require a midcourse update and terminal guidance for precision (must lock the target before impact like the R27).
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I accidently deleted a post that ready EXACTLY as follows :
Sorry i will stop responding to you ig
ig here means “i guess” not insta. Im actually sorry tho that comes off as creepy and its my bad shouldnt have abbreviated
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We will never know since you deleted it immediately. Anyway what is your thoughts on the sparrow?
(will delete any mention of your deleted post now :) neutral fin & course reset)
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LMAO no problem, it really was all my bad. considering i dont have the sparrow i still dont think its very good. I havent died to one in recent memory, the inability to keep flying after a loss of lock would be devestating, half of my kills with the r27er lose lock halfway through. Being able to notch for one second letting it explode. And then recommit is pretty unfair to the sparrow user who has to hold the notch until the r27 passes by. Thus the need for some compensation i.e. trajectory shaping
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Yeah, R7ERs have been acting weird. Then again, The SU27 radar is not modelled completely yet?
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Afaik most radars havent completely recovered from the recent changes. Speaking of is the radar of the f15 modelled correctly yet?
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Speaking of is the radar of the f15 modelled correctly yet?
It’s not. MaMoran and Stepan have been discussing at length above.
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Another reminder too
Sparrows Fs & Ms have a horriilbe time guiding in close quarters do to weight of the dual boost and launching the missile flying too fast (what the F-15 does) has them compress at high Mach numbers.
damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. A dilemma.
I do believe it needs that auto pilot.
Seems it would be balanced if it got it. Sources back it up too. Would even out the su27 f15 disparity. +1 from me lol
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This clusterfuck of taking “official documents” on one side as factor for patching performance and “balance” on the other side completly nullifies the importance of official documents.
There are plenty sources that state what missiles like the AIM-54C and AIM7M can and can’t do.
I am pretty sure there are open bug reports regarding these documents.
Still. We are sitting here, in late 2023, with AIM54s, that have literal spaghetti code in their guidance computers, AIM7Ms, that explode after losing lock for 2-3 seconds with horrendous flight performance and an F15-A that has the biggest loss of mounted engine thrust in the game.
Gaijin should just come forward and clarify what they are actually patching and based on WHAT.
If the answer is “we patch for balance”, the community can save a lot of time and brain and stop providing official technical documents.
If the answer is “we patch for realism as best as we can”, we have a long road ahead of us in terms of actually fixing stuff. The bug reports are there. So are the technical infos. Act on it. It’s not like Gaijin is some Indie DEV.
Why does changing out values for thrust, range or speed take them years? Why are there open bug reports for the F14Bs Aim54Cs since MONTHS?
Anyway… I’ve researched the F15-A, its fast, it has 9ms. Nothing special. It gets smoked by 27ERs.
I’ll just wait it out until they add 120s to the F16C or smth.
The current state of toptier ARB with 16vs16 clusterfucks and non working missiles is just not worth the anger.
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It’s also missing TWS right?
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Depends on how deep into the upgrades they go with it. I can see the F-15A being a frankenplane having some upgrades but not everything. Most of the discussion above is about the basics of how the APG-63 works, because right now it’s essentially a Phantom radar.
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Yeah its going to be a franken plane
They wanted an early non-AMRAAM F15 but they knew they couldn’t add one without flares. So we got an F15A MSIP (ish) and will probably get an F15C MSIP added when Amraam comes to the game.
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