F-15 Eagle: History, Performance & Discussion

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The F-15 will be introduced with a microwave for a radar. Missiles from 1974. A flight model that compares to a submarine, and will be missing 1/4 its thrust.

The Mig-25 will be released along side it with hypersonic missiles from 2020. Unrealistic mach 5 thrust, and will handle like a F-5.

If you think otherwise i got news for you. Its called the last 3 patches of US jet implementation. With how bad they implemented the F-16, and F-14b why would you ever be excited about a new jet for US from the most Russian bias company there is. Remember Russian equipment can only get wins in Warthunder. In RL their equipment is trash so they cope hard in WT.

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Tbf the Mig29 was also pretty terrible from an FM and armement point of view upon release. Also I’m still grinding for the Bombcat so I’m curious to know what your issue with it is ?

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lolwat? F-14B is implemented correctly.
And F-16 was implemented within 95% of accuracy, and is currently 99%+ accurate with the minor changes.
The Mig-29 was also made more accurate over time.
There is no Russian bias, person with clown takes.
RL equipment is used incorrectly by Russia, which isn’t an indication of equipment failure, but user error.

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F-14A / Early had AIM-7F since it’s introduction though

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Even the provisional F-14A Flight manual [1972] directly mentions the AIM-7F ( and AN,ALR-23 IRSTS) even though the first flight of both systems was some ways off.

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F14A entered service in 1974, its first and only mission in Vietnam was 1975.

The Aim7F was produced in 1976. The Aim7F never saw service over Vietnam.

So how did the F14A early have a missile that was not produced yet?

Unless you are misreading what you posted that the F14A received the missile upon the missiles introduction which makes more sense than the F14A receiving a missile in 1974 that did not exist where production for it would take place 2 years later.

Additionally, data/literature will state an aircraft will have a particular capability before that weapon system/technology ever enters service. That can be where the confusion lies. That is why serial production/service dates matter.

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Many flight manuals will mention missiles/technology not produced or in service yet. The F20 Tigershark was already stated to have AMRAAMs 9 years before the missile ever entered service.

Does not mean the jet had it upon entering service. As in the case of the F14A (early) its most earlies iteration was in Vietnam 1975.

The Aim7F was not even produced yet.

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yes an F15 would be a nice addition just to help continue fill out American dominance at top tier :) . On another note i prefer f16 so i am super familiar with the f15’s loadouts but presumably since it was being developed and manufactured around the same time as the f14 i imagine itll have aim9ls and some type of late model aim7

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IOT&E (Initial operational testing and evaluation) was completed by 1974… so yes… it was produced by the hundreds and thoroughly tested already prior to it’s first delivery to a combat unit in 1976.

The F-14A / Early in War Thunder is based on the 1977 configuration, and Gaijin has acknowledged that there are errors with the physical model. The 1977 iteration of the vehicle had already carried the AIM-7F in active service for over a year. Sooooooo yes the 1977 F-14A / early that we have in war thunder had used the AIM-7F since it’s introduction.

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Wrong. F14As did not make deliveries in 1976 .

The F-14 entered operational service with Navy fighter squadrons VF-1 Wolfpack and VF-2 Bounty Hunters aboard USS Enterprise (CVN 65) in September 1974 .

Operation Frequent Wind took place April 29-30, 1975.

The F14A tomcat entered service in 1974 and its first combat mission was in 1975 in Vietnam.

I do not care what version GJ is basing the F14A (early) off of.
You said the F14A received Aim7Fs upon entering service completely unsolicited.

I am pointing out without a shadow of a doubt. That is not correct and impossible.

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That is a nebulous statement.
do you mean;
When deliveries were first taken?
The Squadron(s) were stood up?
IOC milestones were met?
When thy first went into combat / cruise?

and further what do you mean by it, as in “was it” possible, everything we have points towards the fact that it was, but “did it” happen its not clear.

That is the issue.

If the in game Early was supposed to be in its introductory config (July 1974)if that was to be the case where is the AN/ALR-23 IRSTS that it should have among a number of issues with the 3d model that would make it not a Block 130 aircraft.

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F-14A VF-1 (2)

as per the AIM-7F CS & SMC

The dates of note are
IOT & E complete ; September 1974.
This indicates that the design is frozen and that it is ready to be submitted for trials, certification and a decision on production timelines. This additionally does not preclude the existence of preproduction rounds, or their delivery.

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There is likely to be similar questions that may well show up with the F-16A-15ADF and the eventual introduction of AMRAAMs, as they did not receive them in US service(though were wired as such), but the same airframes did later in Italian service. as Block -25 &30/-32 aircraft retain the full compliment of A2G ordnance so present questions as to a good multirole airframe

USS Enterprise sets sail September 1974 with VF-1 & VF-2 aboard, though they have had their F-14A’s since July 1973, and been at full strength since July 1974

Production approval; October 1974

400 units were to be procured for Financial Year '75 and as per Wikipedia

The federal government’s fiscal year is the 12-month period beginning 1 October and ending 30 September the following year. The identification of a fiscal year is the calendar year in which it ends

Which means that up to ~400 units were in existence before the arbitrary April 1975 cutoff for OP Frequent Wind, and of course without absolute granularity of operational deliveries to Enterprise, there is no way to tell exactly if / when they were delivered to the squadrons, other than that they existed and that the F-14’s involved were cleared to use them had they had them in stock.

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The F-14 entered operational service with Navy fighter squadrons VF-1 Wolfpack and VF-2 Bounty Hunters aboard USS Enterprise (CVN 65) in September 1974 .

As you literally just said the navy did not have any variation whatsoever of the Aim7F until a non-serial production procurement of 400 which took place 1975. So no. Tomcat did not have the Aim7F upon entering service.

Additionally. just because the Navy procured 400 units does not mean they immediately sent non serial production variants straight Vietnam. They were most likely for testing. Why? Because first serial production units were delivered January 1976. They leave no room for interpretation. Deliveries to the navy takes time, implementing them into squadron wings takes time, deploying them takes time.
The Aim7F did not see service in Vietnam.

Unless you are trying to say those non serial production units where used in vietnam and not for testing by the Navy themselves?
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If that were the case then why explicitly specify Full Production, as that leaves things open to interpretation that there may have been deliveries of pre-production rounds?

What I’m saying is that it isn’t absolutely definitive.

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First delivery (full production) means first serial production delivery. Final product.

The navy had missiles. But those were not of serial production. Probably for testing.

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How do you know that they didn’t rush them forwards due to pressing need?

It wouldn’t be the first time that both Operational and Combat Evaluation(s) took place simultaneously.

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Full production means the final product.
First delivery of the final product took place January 1976.

Whatever they procured was not serial production missiles that would see combat.

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I guess yeah they can send them immediately over to Vietnam, but why?

The tomcat was already in service for over a year. The Vietnam War was over and the Tomcat was tasked with merely escorting the evacuation.

Additionally, they had the brand new aim54s that took much of the spotlight don’t you think?

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The original argument was that the AIM-7F was allegedly only produced from 1976, and the following question was how the F-14 had a missile that had not been produced yet…

We have proven both that the AIM-7F was produced prior to 1976 and that it could fire the missile prior to arriving at the carrier.

Now, my argument was that the aircraft entered service with the missile. It seems to me the F-14A and AIM-7F finished IOT&E at around the same time, this is because to complete IOT&E the missile has to be fired from the F-14, and the F-14 has to fire the missile… the two cannot happen separately…

Once this was completed, the aircraft was certified and certain shortcomings were discovered and quickly fixed or augmented while onboard the carrier. These quick-fixes from the field maintenance team constituted some of the first modifications to the fleet-service aircraft. The production standard for the F-14 was modified to reflect these changes there-on as well. As far as I am concerned, the 1977 version of the F-14A is the definitive “no more teething issues” model, and this is also the model in the game.

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The first production of the “final product” was in 1974, prior to the F-14A entering service. It just wasn’t delivered to the fleet because they were required for IOT&E. We are getting quite off topic of the F-15.

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IOT&E cannot be conducted on non-final-production missiles or products.

The Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E) is conducted on production, or production representative articles, to determine whether systems are operationally effective and suitable for intended use by representative users to support the decision to proceed beyond Low-Rate Initial Production (LRIP).
Initial Operational Test & Evaluation (IOT&E) - AcqNotes