did F15 get a hidden nerf last update? I never had a wing rip in it before and today I got 2 wingrips…
Wing ripping has been a thing since the dev server.
well I never had my wings rip in f15 before, only twice today. It rips even below mach so wtf?
Your idea on spare parts is on target (as the maintainers were a cut above, without whom there wouldn’t have been ANY flying these aircraft) but no a reason they weren’t able to pull G’s. As a Crew Chief on F15’s for 19 years I’ve run in to both maintainers who worked on these aircraft and pilots who’ve flown them. I even had a Crew Chief on the MiG’s as a Mentor/Supervisor in my time in the USAF. The MiG23’s/21’s/ and 19’s they maintained were sturdy workhorses when they got them working, getting them working was constant work with the scarcity of parts. Some Pilots tend to say a lot of things that us maintainers can just discount out of hand because we know the aircraft down to the nuts and bolts and we also know that “Some Pilots” also don’t want to admit that they really don’t know the aircraft as well as we do. The Gsh could fire NATO 20mm rounds after a couple of modifications…ok. But the Dutch F16 test pilots saying that the MIG23 was on par with the F16 in many ways sounds a lot like a mis-quote to me as NO PILOT AT ALL that I’ve talked to would call the MiG23 anywhere near a match for ANY F16.
With the MiG-23MLA’s from Libya putting up a fierce dogfight…are you talking about the Gulf of Sidra Incident? If so, I (and any USN fighter pilot as well) would not call that a “fierce dogfight” at all. A fierce dogfight would be some high-aspect ACM including a head-on merge and a lot of G-pulling afterward. Those 2 MiG-23’s in the Gulf of Sidra Incident were basically just run down by the Tomcats.
True, the USSR didn’t train their pilots for BFM and tended to rely on GCI.
I would agree that we don’t need to have IRL G limitations on airframes, much the way the F15 in game seems to when it rips its wings in subsonic flight. If the F-15 rips its wings then the rest of the aircraft should as well…but I know that in game my MiG23ML doesn’t rip wings when it should. Nor any of the other Soviet aircraft will the way the Eagle does…as well as the premium Israeli A-4 does at the drop of a hat!! Jeebus…that THING! I also notice that I can have a SARH R-24 come off the rails and it guides at least 90% of the time while the Aim-7m’s don’t guide 4 out of 5 times they come off the rails.
Great book to read: “Americas Secret MiG Squadron, The Red Eagles of Project Constant Peg” by Gaillard R Peck, Jr.
(What a name, see Johnny Cash’s ‘A Man Named Sue’)
“Dutch pilot Leon van Maurer, who had more than 1,200 hours flying F-16s, flew against MiG-23MLs from air bases in Germany and the U.S. as part of NATO’s aerial mock combat training with Soviet equipment. He concluded the MiG-23ML was superior in the vertical to early F-16 variants, just slightly inferior to the F-16A in the horizontal, and had superior BVR capability”
According to airwar.ru
It’s true, the MiG-23 has BVR armament with proper look-down shoot-down capability. In the 80s it received improvements to maneuvering over the models he discussed and even equipped with the R-73. It would have been properly lethal if used adequately. The hit and hide tactics in particular would have been optimal against better US 4th gen fighters and that’s exactly how MiG-23s took out F-14s.
The ML wings rip almost exactly at 1.5x normal safe G limits as outlined in the MiG-23ML manual.
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So the main problem is F-15 has no limit when it comes to pulling G’s which can simply be avoided by restricting the pull capabilites.
İnteresting tho i never ripped my Wings once despite my best efforts.
There is potentially the issue of Gaijin applying the same “overload limit increasing with decrease in fuel weight” thing they got going on for all planes.
The manual isn’t specific, so the developers chose the nominal rip G forces being for full fuel or gross weight or something.
İ see so its a problem that can be avoided if they choose to do it.
For the sake of game balance they should adjust this issue alongside with sparrows guiding problem and missing radar modes, i believe those fixes will be more then enough to put F-15 to 12.7.
There is one second hand citation on a Russian website that just gets repeated at face value without any context ad-infinitum across internet message boards.
The fact of the matter is the way that War Thunder models the MiG-23ML variants is extremely generous and of dubious authenticity. The fact that you can unfold the wings at high speed and then out turn any of the more modern Russian fighters creates a rather ridiculous situation.
If the MiG-23MLD was as good in real life as it was in the game…the USSR would have never bothered designing and building the Flanker or Fulcrum.
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If the F15 was so good they would’t of bothered with the F16 F/A18 F22
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The US also needed a light fighter, which was the f-16. Then later on, the f-14s age was showing and because the navy and air force have beef , and cuz carrier aircraft should be purpose-made, the f-18 was built. The F-22 was in a way the American response the the su-27, which was the Soviet response to the F-15 (also why I agree with f15 staying at 12.3 because the gripen, m4k, and su-27 are all newer and more advanced than the A model F-15)the f-22 also was almost an experiment to see just how good the stealth tech could be when used on a fighter built to be stealthy on radar.
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Yeah…NEVER ripped wings in the MiG-23 of any type in game…
No f/a was built to replace the strike aircraft not the F14
super hornet replaced the f14
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no that was the F117
The MiG-23ML/A/D is able to sustain higher turn rates than both the Su-27 and the MiG-29 in game by 1-2 degrees per second while being a much older airframe with a worse thrust to weight ratio.
I don’t know why the latter of your reply is directed towards me, I’m not arguing against any of that.
They made larger twin engine aircraft according to a new design philosophy put forth by TsAGI… The same argument could have been presented for MiG-19 vs MiG-21. There are a monumental number of reasons the MiG-29 and Su-27 are superior to the MiG-23. Additionally, the MiG-23 would never be used in a sustained turn fight at 7.5-8.5Gs in the same way as the MiG-29 in real life. This is an awful argument… and it’s not just a random Russian website. It was a direct quote from a pilot who flew both. It’s equally useful as “evidence” as the American test / aggressor pilots accounts.
Swing wings are great, aren’t they? Gripen is an interesting case of obvious error in FM tho.
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The MiG-23ML variants out-rate both the MiG-29 and Su-27 by 1-2 degrees per second margins while having worse power to weight ratio. In-game the MiG-29 and Su-27 are a step backwards in comparison to the extremely favorable modeling of the MiG-23.
I would even go so far to say that the MiG-23ML variants can reliably win against both planes in a BFM fight.
Where is the direct quote?
As far as I can tell this anecdote purely comes from airwar.ru and even Wikipedia doubts it’s credibility.
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İ know i was adressing gaijin but looks like a misunderstood happened.
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