I heard the IRIAF F-14A had access to the AIM-7E-4, that being a AIM-7E-2 with the seeker/receiver of the AIM-7F/M (either one not sure which one). Is this true and does anyone have any information on this?
Oh yeah and does anyone know the difference the Fater would serve in-game over the already existing AIM-9P-3?
Some theorized to be similar to AIM-9P4
They finally modeled dual plane or just buffed FinAoA?
They buffed fin AoA, dual plane doesn’t need to be modeled. They can simply make all missiles pull the maximum G that they would have been capable of in real life if they had combined plane and it would work the same way.
The only time it would matter that they are oriented a certain way is if they are bank-to-turn where they can only pitch in one direction.
E4 wouldnt change a thing from current E2 (in game)
https://www.strategicfront.org/forums/threads/1949-sparrow-missile-trails.3149/
AIM-7E-4 was essentially an AIM-7E-2 modified to become compatible with Tomcat’s radar (though by some accounts, Sparrow, even the later F and M models, never really worked well with Tomcat’s radar)
Iranians didn’t have AIM-7E-4, as they were essentially waiting for AIM-7F, thus, when the revolution happened and relations with the US soured, the only missile that the Iranian Tomcats could carry was the AIM-54.
Later, AIM-7E-2s that Iranians had in service with the F-4E were modified to be made compatible with Tomcat’s radar.
Fater 1 is almost definitely just refurbished AIM-9J, probably replacing some components with domestic / more modern components, e.g. replacing the electronics with solid state ones. Performance shouldn’t be much different from AIM-9J.
There is no info on Fater 2.
All in all, seems like the project was not developed much further (than refurbishing existing missiles) and instead, PL-7 from China and R-73 from Russia were procured. (PL-7 only being used on J-7 and ex-Iraqi Mirage F1s that escaped to Iran during US invasion of Iraq)
And of course the Azarakhsh missile which is based on the AIM-9J body but it has an IIR seeker, smokeless motor and does not have rollerons on the rear fins. But there is only evidence of it being carried on drones:
AIM-7E-4 was essentially an AIM-7E-2 modified to become compatible with Tomcat’s radar
If originally the AIM-7E-2 was never compatible with the AWG-9 then why does the American F-14A have access to it or did they also modify it like the Iranians? And didn’t Iran receive a small quantity of AIM-7Fs for their Tomcats as well?
I feel like the IRIAF F-14A is missing some stuff like possibly the AIM-7F or other things idk
Should be AIM-7E-4, but since they are functionally the same, the devs just gave it AIM-7E-2.
Only one secondary source says so.
Aim-7F and Aim-9Ls were ordered by the Shah but were canceled after the Iranian revolution.
I also found this article (dated November 26, 2021) from Hamshahri:
Shahid Babaei project
In 2008, the Vice President of Iran Air Force Operations published the F14 upgrade roadmap until 2020. Air Force Self-Sufficiency Jihad and Industrial Research was tasked to provide the required systems, technology and spare parts with all civilian contractors.
Work began on the ready-made F-4 Phantom hangar at Mehrabad Airport, and after 36 months of work, it made a 30-minute test flight on January 18, 2012. Further flight tests were carried out and in April 2012 it was delivered to the 82nd Tactical Squadron.
A number of F-14s were equipped with domestic radar, and the rest were completely upgraded with the same old radar, the fully optimized AN/AWG-9, the old radar used weak processor and was completely updated; Also, the old electronic parts, especially the parts related to the AN/AWG-9 radar and the parts related to the weapons system have been replaced with lighter and faster parts, as well as the AN/ALQ-100 electronic warfare system by replacing the antenna, processor, analyzer and preamplification system with parts It has been updated and the entire fighter’s wiring has been replaced and the 1st and 8th stations have been reinforced to add the ability to carry the MIM-23C or R-73E. In addition, an internal navigation system, UHF/VHF radio system and some other parts have been installed. Flight electronics have undergone major changes.
Next, capability of carrying bombs has been added to this fighter. The fire control system of the fighter was optimized and the new inertial navigation system and the RWR radar warning system were upgraded. The body has been completely X-rayed and all the problems of the body have been fixed. The engines have been optimized and its previous problems have been fixed; And finally, this fighter is equipped with new air-to-air missiles, such as Fakour-90, Vympel R-73, Vympel R-27.
In 2013, three more planes were delivered to the 82nd squadron. They are now serving as a Quick Response Alert (QRA) at the base. In September 2014, the overhaul center of the 8th Shekhari base delivered another sample. According to the Air Force’s current plan, a fleet of 62 F14s will remain in service until 2030.
You’d probably need another secondary source for the addition of the R-73E, the information on the AWG-9 domestic replacement and upgrades is a bit foggy - we’d need more precise information on exactly what it was replaced/upgraded with to get it added in-game.
The addition of the R-73E however will surely warrant a BR increase to 12.7
I’d be surprised if the fakour/sedjeel buffs don’t put it at 12.7
If they give the f-14 6 x f90s then I say it could go to 13.0.
The IRIAF F-14A uses the AIM-9P which is almost entirely worse than the AIM-9H and AIM-9L available to both the F-14A and F-14B, and Gaijin is a bit silly and use statistics for balancing and knowing the average Persian F-14 player gets zero kills per match I’d expect the BR of 12.3 to remain unless it receives different and more improved missiles.
Hey, look at the Obj. 292 when it was sitting at 10.0 - it was FAR superior to what it was fighting against (and still is) yet it remained at 10.0 for a while mainly due to how god awful the average player playing it was.
Gaijin has preemptively changed to br because they buffed certain vehicles in the past before. It’s not entirely out of the question that the IRIAF F14 could go up.
@sudo_su1 All HAWK, Phoenix derivatives should maneuver in combined plane. I believe 20G is the limit for the HAWK - but it is achieved in combined plane.
The Phoenix should also get the combined plane maneuverability.
Even if Gaijin is waiting on a direct statement from a primary source stating that they can maneuver in combined plane - we know that they are mounted in “X” configuration always and they pitch up without a roll command immediately after launch. This is between the two axis’ of the missile control scheme.
@David_Bowie How is that not sufficient for Gaijin? When will we see the AIM-54 corrected to 25G?
The document you posts says 20g in each plane (so 28 g combined):
It states 20G and 22 degrees in each plane, not 20G in each plane. It is stating that the fins each individually pitch 22 degrees.
Actually it discusses 20G being a structural limitation.
The pitch / yaw commands need to be limited to allow tolerance for roll control, if the autopilot attempts to pitch full towards a target and then needs to roll, it leads to loss of the missile roll control and subsequent breakup occurs.
It states that the autopilot will switch to single plane pitch when pitch and yaw are already limited such as to place the maneuver forces on a single pair of wings rather than equally on both sets. This would likely occur at high speed when AoA is low and roll control is not impeded by airflow interference over the body and fourth control surface.
So the HAWK, which predates the PHOENIX switches between single and combined plane as necessary to maintain highest overload toward targets while simultaneously keeping the missile from departing controlled flight.
@David_Bowie
It quite literally states here that the missile maneuvers in whichever axis the autopilot deems necessary at the time.
