Place for discussion of the Iranian Tomcat, it’s ordnance and performance.
We need to collect sources to ensure the ordnance and airframe performed according to known data.
We should expect the Fakour to be more manueverable than the Phoenix. Now how much more manueverable? That is up in the air for now.
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Aim-54 should be around 25 G’s. We don’t know for sure if it will be diffrent. It’s gaijin afterall
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Of course, which is why we will need to make reports on it.
This article, while it is not a valid source, highlights some key differences between Fakour-90 and Phoenix. It provides us an insight with which to look for in other sources.
In 2013 a never before seen yet familiar air to air missile, the Fakour-90, was displayed and bore a strong resemblance to the AIM-54. The new missile boasted several improvements over the original Phoenix missile which it was clearly based on including a superior guidance system, new electronic warfare countermeasures and an enhanced range. The new guidance system was approximately 30% smaller, and based on the reduced weight of the more modern systems and potential for added propellants the missile’s range was estimated at 220-300km. The Fakour’s guidance system was reportedly similar to that used on the Mersad surface to air missile.
What we can expect here is better guidance system, better range, reduced weight. But this is speculation for now.
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What kind of Aim-9’s could it carry?
Fakour-90 has two variants and I provided some information (from public sources) in this report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Z9Naxe9gnjqz
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AIM-9P/J + AIM-7E2
They never got the R-27 working with Tomcat’s radar
Years later alert Tomcats were still armed with AIM-7E2 and AIM-9P/J
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Okay thank you!
I also doubt that matters to Gaijin…
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It’s actually much heavier
Fakour-90 is 1405 lb (637.3 kg)
Propellent mass is 290kg for the first variant with M112 motor
637.3 kg - 290kg = 347.3 kg “massEnd”
AIM-54A’s “massEnd” is 273kg and AIM-54C’s 293kg for comparison
Propellent mass is 170-170.5kg for AIM-54 for comparison (in the game)
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Yeah, I know
I can provide them pictures of alert aircrafts on multiple occasions years later, but they will just use the picture from the physical pylon and say it was compatible …
I’m a huge sucker for desert camos
Might pay the GE for all the thingies because 45k over 2 days is insane
Also this is going to go great with the M4K desert camo
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Lol yeah
45,000 / 1.33 = 33,835 for air RB.
/ 1.66 = 27,109 for air SB.
Easy enough, that’s less than an hour in air RB with a number of aircraft, 2 hours at most.
One problem… I’m lazy, on XBOX and have a massive skill issue :)
Reports for everything important are getting a big fat seen
Btw, does anyone have NAVAIR 01-F14AAA-1.1?
I have NAVAIR 01-F14AAA-1
1.1 contains sustaines turn rate charts
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Boost-sustain motor for the initial Fakour-90 with 25-32 second total burn time.
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From the MIM-23B the missile had M112 type dual-thrust rocket engine; after 5 seconds of initial very high thrust in the traveling phase for 21 seconds provided smaller thrust but the total impulse of the engine became higher.
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~5 seconds boost- ~21 second sustain rocket motor.
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Source 2 states the total motor mass as 416kg. Confirms total propellant mass as ~290kg.
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The initial HAWK rocket motor “M22E8” has 281kg of propellant as opposed to the AIM-54’s 170.55kg.
The M112 improved hawk rocket motor (used on the Fakour-90) has even more at 294.835kg.
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Although this source also states the AIM-54A to have a total propulsion section explosive net weight of 208.199kg. This is still a 41.6% increase in propellant quantity over the AIM-54A according to the explosive’s book.
The grain pattern and cross section of the M-112 HAWK missile motor.
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It can be assumed that since the Mk56 used on the AIM-7F is manufactured at the same facility and with similar tooling as the M112 that they use the same or similar propellant and have similar ISP.
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I have not read into this source much yet as the quality of the scan is poor but it seems to have propellant properties and composition.
@DirectSupport
Assessment:
The Fakour-90 has a higher weight than the Phoenix at 1,405 pounds (637.3kg) vs 443.6kg for the AIM-54A. This is a 43.6% increase in weight but this is all mostly additional propellant. There is 41.6% more propellant than the AIM-54A.
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Perhaps post your findings as a comment in the report
I think 290kg is the most reliable number for propellent mass