Should be AIM-7E-4, but since they are functionally the same, the devs just gave it AIM-7E-2.
Only one secondary source says so.
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Aim-7F and Aim-9Ls were ordered by the Shah but were canceled after the Iranian revolution.
I also found this article (dated November 26, 2021) from Hamshahri:
Shahid Babaei project
In 2008, the Vice President of Iran Air Force Operations published the F14 upgrade roadmap until 2020. Air Force Self-Sufficiency Jihad and Industrial Research was tasked to provide the required systems, technology and spare parts with all civilian contractors.
Work began on the ready-made F-4 Phantom hangar at Mehrabad Airport, and after 36 months of work, it made a 30-minute test flight on January 18, 2012. Further flight tests were carried out and in April 2012 it was delivered to the 82nd Tactical Squadron.
A number of F-14s were equipped with domestic radar, and the rest were completely upgraded with the same old radar, the fully optimized AN/AWG-9, the old radar used weak processor and was completely updated; Also, the old electronic parts, especially the parts related to the AN/AWG-9 radar and the parts related to the weapons system have been replaced with lighter and faster parts, as well as the AN/ALQ-100 electronic warfare system by replacing the antenna, processor, analyzer and preamplification system with parts It has been updated and the entire fighter’s wiring has been replaced and the 1st and 8th stations have been reinforced to add the ability to carry the MIM-23C or R-73E. In addition, an internal navigation system, UHF/VHF radio system and some other parts have been installed. Flight electronics have undergone major changes.
Next, capability of carrying bombs has been added to this fighter. The fire control system of the fighter was optimized and the new inertial navigation system and the RWR radar warning system were upgraded. The body has been completely X-rayed and all the problems of the body have been fixed. The engines have been optimized and its previous problems have been fixed; And finally, this fighter is equipped with new air-to-air missiles, such as Fakour-90, Vympel R-73, Vympel R-27.
In 2013, three more planes were delivered to the 82nd squadron. They are now serving as a Quick Response Alert (QRA) at the base. In September 2014, the overhaul center of the 8th Shekhari base delivered another sample. According to the Air Force’s current plan, a fleet of 62 F14s will remain in service until 2030.
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You’d probably need another secondary source for the addition of the R-73E, the information on the AWG-9 domestic replacement and upgrades is a bit foggy - we’d need more precise information on exactly what it was replaced/upgraded with to get it added in-game.
The addition of the R-73E however will surely warrant a BR increase to 12.7
I’d be surprised if the fakour/sedjeel buffs don’t put it at 12.7
If they give the f-14 6 x f90s then I say it could go to 13.0.
The IRIAF F-14A uses the AIM-9P which is almost entirely worse than the AIM-9H and AIM-9L available to both the F-14A and F-14B, and Gaijin is a bit silly and use statistics for balancing and knowing the average Persian F-14 player gets zero kills per match I’d expect the BR of 12.3 to remain unless it receives different and more improved missiles.
Hey, look at the Obj. 292 when it was sitting at 10.0 - it was FAR superior to what it was fighting against (and still is) yet it remained at 10.0 for a while mainly due to how god awful the average player playing it was.
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Gaijin has preemptively changed to br because they buffed certain vehicles in the past before. It’s not entirely out of the question that the IRIAF F14 could go up.
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@sudo_su1 All HAWK, Phoenix derivatives should maneuver in combined plane. I believe 20G is the limit for the HAWK - but it is achieved in combined plane.
The Phoenix should also get the combined plane maneuverability.
Even if Gaijin is waiting on a direct statement from a primary source stating that they can maneuver in combined plane - we know that they are mounted in “X” configuration always and they pitch up without a roll command immediately after launch. This is between the two axis’ of the missile control scheme.
@David_Bowie How is that not sufficient for Gaijin? When will we see the AIM-54 corrected to 25G?
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The document you posts says 20g in each plane (so 28 g combined):
It states 20G and 22 degrees in each plane, not 20G in each plane. It is stating that the fins each individually pitch 22 degrees.
Actually it discusses 20G being a structural limitation.
The pitch / yaw commands need to be limited to allow tolerance for roll control, if the autopilot attempts to pitch full towards a target and then needs to roll, it leads to loss of the missile roll control and subsequent breakup occurs.
It states that the autopilot will switch to single plane pitch when pitch and yaw are already limited such as to place the maneuver forces on a single pair of wings rather than equally on both sets. This would likely occur at high speed when AoA is low and roll control is not impeded by airflow interference over the body and fourth control surface.
So the HAWK, which predates the PHOENIX switches between single and combined plane as necessary to maintain highest overload toward targets while simultaneously keeping the missile from departing controlled flight.
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It quite literally states here that the missile maneuvers in whichever axis the autopilot deems necessary at the time.
To add to that - the structural integrity of the wing…
The absolute peak structural integrity is no more than 25.7G. The wing was not intended for 20G, rather only ~14G in pitch and yaw planes with a vector resultant of 19.8G. What this is discussing is the pitch vector.
The original missile was designed with an X plane maneuvering load limit of ~20G. The single plane maneuverability is usually quoted as 15G, the actual load limit of the design is 12G +/- 2 as stated (14G). 14 squared is 196. 196 + 196 = 392. The square root of 392 is 19.79 G @Flame2512
The combined plane overload is intended to be 20G.
@David_Bowie They should either reduce the Sedjil to single plane of 14-15G or model the combined plane maneuvering limit of 20G. If they use combined plane - they should do so for the Phoenix as well which should be approximately 17G per axis and 24G combined with a similar overshoot of +/-2G that would be ~26.8G. To round that out we can use your source and simply put it at 25G.
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To put simply the changes that were made to make the missile more reliable;
The maximum fin deflection is 22 degrees. The missile sometimes had a tendency to maximum pitch (22 degrees) with 20G overload towards targets and would then need to roll to keep up with target’s defensive maneuver.
Since 22 degrees is already the maximum deflection, roll was not possible while maintaining target intercept and the missile would lose control / breakup.
The solution was to allow 20G maximum pitch but limit fin deflection to 15 degrees in final intercept, this likely led to inferior over-leading characteristics that drained the missile of energy if the target chose to crank sooner… but the missile could actually reach the target. 15 degrees allowed a further 7 degrees for rapid roll response without causing too much pitch-roll-yaw type coupling and oscillations.
Do you know if the f14 iff works in sim
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Thx, was confused whether sim has iff realistically or how it works in air rb
https://community.gaijin.net/p/warthunder/i/62aqRWP8TtYp?comment=N7TcOL1E4o4gWg7vWGPpmovl
@InterFleet Thanks for forwarding the length.
my issue is how can the in game Fakour sits at ~600kg, while the dimensions are smaller than the AIM-54…
Something doesn’t add up
There is likely a lot of empty space inside the AIM-54, including inside the motor.
Also, the density of the propellants might be different (e.g. M112’s propellant might have higher aluminum content).
A cylinder with a length of 3.96m and a diameter of 356mm has a volume of 394 liters (And obviously most parts that are used in a missile, including the body, warhead, and propellant, have a density quite a bit higher than 1).
Just look at this chart. The M112 motor itself, which has a diameter of 356mm and a length of just 2.678m (with “tail can and 3 fins”), already weighs almost as much as a full blown AIM-54A.
I think u replied to wrong person
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Yeah, my bad.
Wanted to reply to the topic, instead I replied to your post.
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