Most missiles you listed use that in conjunction with secondary planes, the magic 2 does what the AIM-54 does and is constantly spinning along its axis to be able to pull max G in any direction rather than specific directions like the BTT on other missiles.
Not quite right. Magic 2 doesnt spin itself, its just the rear fins being free to move at any time of the flight so aerodynamically they always stay in X position instead +. AIM-54 BTT is quite literally bank to turn - same as AIM-120 for example.
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Ohhh I might have misunderstood what I read about it, or the translator was wrong because it was a French document.
That’s how regular BTT works right?
(Excuse the quality here) this is how I had it in my head the Magic 2 worked.
I thought the whole thing was in constant rotation to pull the optimal fin AOA when necessary. Thanks for correcting me!
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BTT is turning the missile to “X” configuration instead of “+” so you could achieve the highest Gs possible due to dual plane controls. Magic 2 uses a much simplier system for that and doesnt require any inputs from the flight computer.
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It doesn’t use BTT, that implies only one axis for pitch. It can pitch and roll at the same time and pitch in either + or x configuration as needed.
If required, it can orient x configuration towards target vector for higher AoA and G loading to ensure intercept.
Also no, the Magic 2 rotates itself in flight to keep x orientation towards target vector. The tail being free to spin prevents oscillations and discrepancies with guidance at high G loading.
It is free to rotate and fly in “+” configuration as well.
The whole assembly spinning is known as a rolling airframe missile. That is similar to the igla or stinger.
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Oh ok gotcha like the RIM-116 too
Alright, with the Sedjil and Fakour-90 receiving major buffs, what BR do we think Gaijin is gonna bump it to? I’m betting 12.7, or at least 13.0 with upgraded heatseekers.
I think it’s still not on live yet.
From the datamines seems like they changed Fakour to the correct 20 g / 22 deg, but changed Sedjil to 20 g / 16.27 deg, even though the document is literally for I-Hawk which is what the Sedjil essentially is.
Perhaps they are still experimenting with it …
Either way thanks for finding the document.
I never said it was. There was no update to live so why would anyone assume that?
Lmao
No problem.
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I heard the IRIAF F-14A had access to the AIM-7E-4, that being a AIM-7E-2 with the seeker/receiver of the AIM-7F/M (either one not sure which one). Is this true and does anyone have any information on this?
Oh yeah and does anyone know the difference the Fater would serve in-game over the already existing AIM-9P-3?
Some theorized to be similar to AIM-9P4
They finally modeled dual plane or just buffed FinAoA?
They buffed fin AoA, dual plane doesn’t need to be modeled. They can simply make all missiles pull the maximum G that they would have been capable of in real life if they had combined plane and it would work the same way.
The only time it would matter that they are oriented a certain way is if they are bank-to-turn where they can only pitch in one direction.
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E4 wouldnt change a thing from current E2 (in game)
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https://www.strategicfront.org/forums/threads/1949-sparrow-missile-trails.3149/
AIM-7E-4 was essentially an AIM-7E-2 modified to become compatible with Tomcat’s radar (though by some accounts, Sparrow, even the later F and M models, never really worked well with Tomcat’s radar)
Iranians didn’t have AIM-7E-4, as they were essentially waiting for AIM-7F, thus, when the revolution happened and relations with the US soured, the only missile that the Iranian Tomcats could carry was the AIM-54.
Later, AIM-7E-2s that Iranians had in service with the F-4E were modified to be made compatible with Tomcat’s radar.
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Fater 1 is almost definitely just refurbished AIM-9J, probably replacing some components with domestic / more modern components, e.g. replacing the electronics with solid state ones. Performance shouldn’t be much different from AIM-9J.
There is no info on Fater 2.
All in all, seems like the project was not developed much further (than refurbishing existing missiles) and instead, PL-7 from China and R-73 from Russia were procured. (PL-7 only being used on J-7 and ex-Iraqi Mirage F1s that escaped to Iran during US invasion of Iraq)
And of course the Azarakhsh missile which is based on the AIM-9J body but it has an IIR seeker, smokeless motor and does not have rollerons on the rear fins. But there is only evidence of it being carried on drones:
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AIM-7E-4 was essentially an AIM-7E-2 modified to become compatible with Tomcat’s radar
If originally the AIM-7E-2 was never compatible with the AWG-9 then why does the American F-14A have access to it or did they also modify it like the Iranians? And didn’t Iran receive a small quantity of AIM-7Fs for their Tomcats as well?
I feel like the IRIAF F-14A is missing some stuff like possibly the AIM-7F or other things idk