J7D is something different. They can’t finish a base. The PL-5B or PL-7 are effective missiles in that BR. Now the mig23… Nearly everyone use multipath on the ground so R24R become useless, and those IR missiles… lmao.
But in all cases Gaijin won’t punish players simply because they use any plane for bombing.
2 years of F-14As dying more like.
Not a single match I was in F-14As did anywhere close to dominate, and that’s seen in my own stats too.
Chronically average jet when it was the same BR as EJ Kai, and now F-14A tech tree is entirely unplayable.
Right now either F-14A TT is over-BR’d or the PD Phantoms are under-BR’d. Pick one and agree, or you’re calling for bias.
Cause the exclusive difference between F-4J and F-14A is flight performance, and the exclusive difference between FGR2 and F-14A is Skyflash vs AIM-7F, and a bit of flight performance as well though less so since FGR2 can bring less fuel mass than both F-4J and F-14A.
The thing with F-4JUK is that it doesn’t have the Spey engines so it has to bring the same fuel mass as standard F-4Js.
I haven’t done a fuel mass test in a while for these aircraft so I’ll edit this post with the screenshots within 10 minutes.
5 minutes 30 seconds on the clock:
Would you look at that, at higher speeds the FG1 becomes a better airframe for air RB; being smack in the middle of F-4S and F-14A in higher speed flight performance. That would be why F-4JUK does worse than the FG1 and FGR2 in air RB, it’s just a worse airframe for air RB than the FG1 and FGR2.
Lock 3 miles out on unaware target (usually prems), fire it and forget they exist
Have you tried climbing in it?
Usually there’s at least 1 other plane that climbs, and it very easily allows you to get 1-2 easy kills. R-24Rs are very good SARH missiles, and R-60ms are a decent backup that can still be used in headons, and against unaware targets.
Meanwhile the R-24Rs are actually the least affected by MP due to the fact they have IOG and that can be used to entirely mitigate multipathing But have you tried the R-24Ts? They are totally unaffected by multipathing and very potent.
R-60Ms are still more effective than a lot of IR missiles at that BR considering they are all-aspect and many at that BR still have rear-aspect only missiles. Fire one off at very close range in a headon, and there is noting the target can do unless they were pre-flaring. Also Mig-23s are some of the only with large calibre flares which make killing them with an IR missile in turn far harder than it is for the Mig-23
The Fakour-90 is still perfectly capable at jousting long-range with AMRAAM slingers.
K. Now tell me when it’s on an aircraft that isn’t the worst airframe at 12.7 using the worst engines worst RWR using the worst IR missiles… but apparently all those factors can be ignored because of some fast unmaneuverable missile that has its own internal radar for <16km.
F-14A IRIAF is balanced at 12.7 BECAUSE of the F-90s and all other aspects of the aircraft being trash for the BR.
You know what EJ Kai trades for AIM-7Fs and AIM-9Ls? Just dogfight performance, that’s it.
Its engines are great, radar is great, RWR is great.
Even AV-8B+ trades less than the F-14A and the AV-8B+ is 0.3 BR higher with superior ARHMs.
Climb and shoot down people climbing with R-24Rs, R-60Ms are only as bad as you make them.
I sadly have to agree. The only upside of the F-14 IRIAF is the Fakour-90, beyond that it’s kinda bad for 12.7.
F-14 Early and F-14 IRIAF are both just flat out bad planes.
ask me how I know you don’t use manual wing sweep, the f14 is a great airframe, it’s swing wing, you’re faster than other 12.7s with the wings back and you can outturn any of them with them forward it’s not bad you guys are delusional. anyone can meet me in a custom my dms are open you bring any 12.7 or 13.0.
bro your metrics are literally meaningless, meet me in a custom I’ll bring the f14a
Unless you’re wanting me in a Mig-29, customs are useless for air RB training.
lol You can’t even go mach 1.2 with the wings back. F-16A and Mig-29 are faster as well as faster accelerating.
And those energy retention tests are with the wings manually done, cause unlike you I do use manual wing sweep.
I’ll even meme on your aircraft in an F-14B, and the F-14B loses to F-16 and is tied with Mig-29.
I would in a Mig-29SMT but that’s not spaded for me.
Bah, bollocks.
F-14A USN was dominating the match and harassing the compression
I agree that F-14A USN is unplayable. it seems so.
I nearly never saw F-14A USN after IRIAF showed up.
But it is more a compression problem with bullshit balancing of Gaijin itself.
Now they are getting harrassed by the compression and tasting their own medicine.
YES. F-4J/S USN and F-4EJ Kai are slightly underrated.
They should climb up by decompression with Mirage 2000C.
But I don’t understand why you are ignoring that AIM-7E-2 or Skyflash are inferior in nearly all aspects compared to AIM-7F.
As I remember, Skyflash(normie) are only better than AIM-7F on dead-close range headon thanks to less guidance delay and better initial thrust. maybe 5km-ish?
~10km is where I use Skyflash and AIM-7Fs, partially because the ACM range of F-14 is 9km.
But with todays results showing that F-4FG1 and FGR2 just fly better than F-4J for air RB, it explains why I have such a good time in my FG1 and why I do so well in it.
The extra flight performance aids the lack of slightly longer range SARHMs.
you will not, again my dms are open we can set it up anytime I’m free. the f14a can very much go mach 1.2 as well lmao so put your money where your mouth is. and bro the f14b is the same airframe with better engines ofc it’s better do you want a cookie?
Yeah, that one sucks. I didn’t like that short ACM range when I tried to fly my F-14A IRIAF
I lost my interest rapidly in ‘Playing Tomcats in War Thunder’ thanks to Fakour-90 and 9km ACM.
I’d rather watch Top Gun once more.
Well, I still think the Difference between AIM-7E-2/7F should be the difference in BR too
apologies you were muted because of your trolling, it’s now fixed
thanks
