F-111C Placement

With the F-111A coming next update, there’s been a lot of discussion about where to put another member of the 111 family- the F-111C. This poll is intended to determine what current player consensus is.

F-111C: Australian variant of F-111. 28 produced. Based on F-111A but with improvements from F-111B, FB-111A, and F-111F that makes it arguably the best F-111, on par with the F-111F. With up to AIM-9Ls, Pave Tack, and laser-guided bombs, it is ~11.3 material.

F-111K: British variant of the F-111 based on the F-111A but with improvements based on the F-111D and FB-111A. With up to AIM-9Ls, AIM-7s, but no Pave Tack or laser munitions, it’d be a more fighter-oriented F-111 but still ~11.3 material. 2 incomplete prototypes.

How would you like to see these two aircraft implemented when they eventually come?
  • 111C USA Squadron, 111K British TT
  • 111C USA Squadron, 111K British event/premium
  • 111C USA Squadron, 111K not in game
  • 111C UK TT, 111K British TT
  • 111C UK TT, 111K British event/premium
  • 111C UK TT, 111K not in game
  • 111C UK event/premium, 111K British TT
  • 111C UK event/premium, 111K British event/premium
  • 111C UK event/premium, 111K not in game

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Let me know your thoughts!

Why would the US needs the F-111C, when they have a whole bunch of other American F-111s that could be added?

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The argument is:

  1. as an Australian variant of an American top tier vehicle, it should be a squadron vehicle, just like the M1A1 AIM (also an Australian variant of an American top tier vehicle)
  2. The UK has several tornado variants (GR.1, GR.1B, GR.4, F.2, F.3) and the F-111K, which gives them more potential swing-wing fighter-bomber variants than the American F-111 (111A, D, E, F)

Counter arguments:

  1. Australia is a commonwealth nation so the 111C should be in the British tree
  2. the US has many 111 variants, while the UK doesn’t have any mass produced ones. Ignoring squadron vehicle potential, the 111C would not add anything particular unique over the 111F
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A counter point being all the other Australian vehicles in the UK tree, the M1A1 AIM is the exception not the rule

The UK has several tornado variants (GR.1, GR.1B, GR.4, F.2, F.3) and the F-111K, which gives them more potential swing-wing fighter-bomber variants than the American F-111 (111A, D, E, F)

The F.2 and F.3 are pure interceptor aircraft (with the exception of a few F.3s that carried the ALARM missile), so you can take them off the list. And the GR.1B is literally just the aircraft we have in game at the moment with the addition of the Sea Eagle missile, so it’s unlikely to come as a separate aircraft (just like the Jaguar GR.1B is not a separate aircraft). That leaves the UK with the GR.1 and GR.4 as swing wing bombers.

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This thing has no relations to Britain and it should not be in any way, shape or form, in the British tech tree.

If you want an F-111, play the US tree. The T-90 was already absolute BS, stop trying to remove the uniqueness of other trees just because you want to play those vehicles. F-111K was never built, so it shouldn’t be in-game. The C variant should be a US premium/event.

Besides that, the F-111F is far more advanced than the F-111C, being better especially for WT purposes - it has 6 slots for AIM-9Ls and Ms, has the capability to mount the 20 mm Vulcan (which the F-111C does not), has AGM-130 which would easily be the best Air-to-ground guided ordinance if added now (which the F-111C again does not have), it has much more powerful engines and so on. The F-111C also has quite a bit worse maneuverability at 6.5 G versus 7.33 G for F-111F.
F-111C worse maneuverability than all other variants

111Cs can carry M61A1 as well
Also identical TF-30-P-100 engines with just a worse afterburner. Going back to the older, original afterburner could likely be a modification.
I’d argue against the 111F getting 9Ms, as as far as I know they were not used operationally (unlike 9Ls) and would necessitate a significant BR increase that would only hurt the vehicle.

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Notice “top tier vehicle”
WWII vehicles make sense for the British tree, as Australia was under British domain until late 1942, with them being completely independent from the UK in 1986. The 111C discussed is the 1990s upgrade.

You’re right on the F.2 and F.3

The GR1B is an equivalent to the Tornado Marinefleiger in-game. I agree it’d be an unlikely addition considering the similarity to the GR.1, but we have already seen such a vehicle in game.

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F-111C was used by Australia which is commonwealth nation.

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